>>Subject: too subversive to post---I guess>>> Don't flatter yourself, "paulkeith." You've posted nothing even remotely interesting, let alone "subversive." Occasionally some Landmarker comes up with a point of contention worth discussing, but not you. >>A question for you Ellen. You deem your self an expe
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"paulkeith" queries: >>Where did you see that? I heard NXIUM (or something) was suing him. That may ultimately be a spinoff from Est or Landmark but I haven't seen any info. about a Landmark suit. Where are you getting your info. from? Maybe the moderators can clarify? >>> The story is in the "Cult News," September 28th
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From: "FACTNet International" <manage@factnet.org> Organization: FACTNet International Reply-To: "FACTNet International" <manage@factnet.org> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:22:06 -0700 Subject: Scientology cult pays $8,674,643 to ex-member to end 22-year legal battle. May 9, 2002 9:00 AM. It was a crushing
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Quotehossgal .....The Tuesday night graduation and the following weekly seminars were nothing more than recruitment pep rallies. The longer I stuck with Landmark (which wasn't long, in the grand scheme...) the smarmier it got. I did the Forum in March, and can't recall exactly when I found this site, but it wasn't long after the staring match with the seminar leader. I was so ang
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I guess when Patrick took the "programming," maybe they hadn't yet toned it down or softened it up. Or maybe it was just his leader, I don't know. What is known is that during the "est" years the "trainers," mimicking their leader, Werner Erhard, used lots and lots of profanity, humiliating put-downs, cruel and abusive taunts, and screaming temper-tantrum
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Quotehossgal That's in in a (big) nutshell. Hi hossgal, So how did your psychiatrist react when you told him about your experience? There are lots of psychiatrists and psychologists who have never heard of these groups, know nothing about the manipulation or mind control, or think they are relatively benign. I'm wondering how old he(she) is and how it is that he missed al
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He's probably mad that all these people are making big bucks off his ~creation.~ He's probably very, very angry that he is still seen as a sleazy "used-car salesman" while these other copy-cats have managed to cloak themselves with some kind of legitimacy he was never able to accomplish. Word has it there are some in the Landmark "community" who are praying
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I like to point those people to Dick Sutphen's site. Ellen
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Quotehossgalfor standing up for any LEC grad who might have found something positive in the Forum. Even the Devil works hard -- nothing is completely evil!] I don't know why people have such a hard time with this. Of course they have to offer SOMETHING "positive." What fisherman would catch anything without baiting his hook? Past of the program involves some basic, co
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Mary writes: >>The internet is dangerous to LEC (and others), so they have to find some way to counteract what's out there. Trying to seem neutral and acknowledging the information that's negative -- while "proving" that information is wrong because they made it out OK -- is yet another way of convincing people that LEC ain't so bad.>>&g
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>>Life Law #2: You create your own experience. Strategy: Acknowledge and accept accountability for your life. Understand your role in creating results.>>> One would have thought that this one was dead in the water after Robert Preston slugged Bert Convey, (the "Werner" character in "Semi-Tough"), in the chops while shouting: "E
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Sounds like just another permutation of the "free" personality test. They know full well that once they "get the ball rolling," they stand a pretty good chance of hooking the more impressionable types, which are the ones they want in the first place. Ellen
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QuoteSavernakeReading in another thread about the Sterling group, it occurred to me that in the film Magnolia, Tom Cruise plays a character very like Justin Sterling. And I thought, to be a character in a fairly mainstream film, it suggests that this type of person is one that the public is familiar with, at least in concept. And then it occurred to me that I grew up with the concept of LGATs,
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Here's a link: Ellen
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Quotekelkay1Hello, I am a grad student of anthropology at CSUN looking to interview people who have gone through (or are about to go through) the Landmark Forum. I am studying the self-improvement process as a cultural experience and reflection of individualism in American society. This is an independent study, not affiliated with LEC or any other organization. Please email me if intereste
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Thanks, TBO. I remember seeing this when it was released and it seemed as though half the content was blacked-out. A real eye-opener, though. Some LGAT old-timers have suggested that one of the reasons LGATs and other cults are permitted to do what they do is that they serve as open-air laboratories in the field of mind manipulation (Kontrol) and organisations like the CIA can harvest t
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QuoteAuroraTBO, Obviously disclosure is voluntary but was wondering if you have been victimized by a particular cult like group and if so what method of indoctrination pulled you into the fold so to speak? >>> Aurora, Don't know if you have fallen into the "victim" trap, or taken up the LGAT line that "victims" are ~choosing~ "victi
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QuotekittypawHi guys- My Landmarkian friend is doing a SELP project, with a day long workshop this Sat. which she's invited me to (that I declined). She wanted to have a 10 min 'interview' with me about herself before the workshop. I was wondering if anyone knows what sort of questions are asked in this type of interview? Too bad "gc's" posts are gone. Mayb
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QuoteLonnie49Hello everybody. Thanks for your responses. Finding out whether a training group is manipulative or abusive is only half of the story. The other question is--does it work? Will the training accomplish what it promises? I think that my big problem with both these groups are that they promise you that everything in your life will be transformed in such a short time. In other words, if
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I wonder if anyone has constructed a "family tree" of all the people who have made money using the ideas and techniques formulated by L. Ron Hubbard? It would be rather extensive. And I guess one would have to start with Mme Blavatsky, Mary Baker Eddy, and Aleister Crowley. Ellen
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QuoteCosmophilospher Firstly, doing the Firewalk in the presence of the Super-Guru is something you can almost never take back. They have designed it as an event that will PERMANENTLY change who you are. That is its literal stated intent. They are going to put people into a Peak State, and then FUSE that with peoples most sacred and Peak Experiences from their lives, and then this gets interwov
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QuoteHopeAh yes, Elena, the miracles. I received my post card in the mail from Landmark, inviting me (for $40) to "Causing the Miraculous" A Breakthrough Event. This is an all-new 3-hour graduate event. "In this event, you will create" * A direct path to causing an environment where the miraculous can occur * The miraculous - as distinct from serendipity, chance or l
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"These LGAT's are extremely sinister and terribly powerful. They are not what they seem, and they do not do what they are advertised to do. They seem to do the opposite." Coz If you're an irony fan, ya gotta love it! What they deliver is, in actuality, the opposite of what they claim. But their customers still "think" they got ~value.~ An irony inside
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"Certain people are VERY "suggestible". These are the people Tony can totally take for a ride to bankruptcy. (get the money to come ANY WAY YOU CAN.) He literally "hypnotizes" them as he is claiming he is de-hypnotizing them." Funny, both L. Ron Hubbard and Werner Erhard claimed to do exactly the same thing; to "dehypnotize" people. (They were
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>>These guys must be working from a Manual. >>Is there a Mind Control Cult Leaders Manual out there? I am only >>partially joking. If someone knows of one, could they PM me about its >>name? Coz, Ellen
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Unfortunately, they operate in a legal gray area. The practices of psychology and psychiatry are so broad and so inclusive, and fraught with their own bogus contingent, that it is almost impossible to define what is and what isn't psychotherapy, hypnosis, psychological coercion, etc. The lawyers and courts could make a case for "undue influence," but that would be exceedingly dif
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and hope it blows over. Or that someone else gives her the bad news so she doesn't associate YOU with the humiliation she will feel. If she's having some success, which is quite likely at first, she will probably be in for a while. Depending on various factors, it could be a long haul. Years sometimes. If she deepens her involvement, she will likely become cagier and more ade
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Hi PSIsurvivor, This "agreement" stuff came directly from L. Ron Hubbard. Along with the "acknowledgment," "communication," and "responsibility" concepts, or whatever words they are substituting these days. It was ElRon's method of enforcing obedience and compliance and, for the most part, all cults and LGATs use this because it works so well. Of
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Landmark has a million "clones." And before Landmark there were ponzi schemes and purveyors of snake-oil, and shifty, (as in "paradigm-shifty" ;) ?) traveling salesmen with "sales systems" like the "Music Man" Professor Harold Hill's "Think System." They, Archer & Associates, pretty much give it away with the following, citing Na
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Landmarkers consistently trot out these bits of "evidence," these examples of ordinary or common-sense motivational, psychological, therapeutic, feel-good, "warm-up" stuff and mistake these bits of decorative fluff for Landmark program "content." For escaped and all the other "grads" who consider themselves too smart or too clever to be suckered by the L
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