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This is currently on the "60 Minutes" website. Ellen >>Have you been to a Landmark forum? 60 Minutes would like to hear from anyone who has done a course with Landmark Education in Australia. Please e-mail us, phone 02 9438 3433 or fax 02 9436 0527.>>>
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You wrote: >>This may come off as sexist but as a man I was never a big fan of being "in touch with my emotions.">>> The Landmark programs are designed to play on your emotions. Male, female, or neutered, it is emotion that drives and motivates people. If you don't understand the dynamic, or are emotionally "illiterate," you c
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Cults are about money. Covertly, they are businesses with some kind of religious, spiritual, "transformational," transcendental, prosperity, self-improvement, or "self-actualization" cosmetic cover or product. What better business than one whose product actually costs nothing? Or next to nothing. As businesses they are fundamentally sociopathic because they don't exc
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>>Thanks for this information as it leads me in a direction that I was not concidering. I will get back to you on my thoughts. I will deal with this. Actually the first thought that comes into my head...I don't want to deal with this....I just want to forget it.... Jim>>> Just remember Jim, The flip-side of the Landmark lure of "possibilties&
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Yes, "belief," post-hypnotic suggestion, "embed," "implant," "programming," auto-suggestion, all describe the information that the Landmark leaders are able to instill in their true believers and what these suggestions turn into is often a type of false-memory syndrome or post-tramatic stress reaction quite common and easily accomplished with people in
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If you missed it: Ellen
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We're all ears. Ellen
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>>And I have no pity for you and don't feel sorry for you. I'm convinced you have little time or use for being a victim and no need for others sympathies. And I admire that in someone!>>> Oh, I dunno, Wary.....you might want to look up the defining characteristics of sociopathy before you go parading around with this confession. Ellen
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They made the connection: "scientology" and "pyramid." Ellen Babel Fish Translation In English: Synopsis Monday May 24 Bibliographie Exhibits: an emission d'enquête Monday May 24 travel to the country of the new gurus 32e number of this magazine of investigation proposed by the national drafting of France3 - 120 minutes C'est an exceptional number
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>>Implants ? My girlfriend had them, firm silicone gel, looked great in a tight sweater though...>>> Good analogy to est/Landmark. They look/seem good but watch out, there are problems! Ask your girlfriend if she was informed of the fact that they are always "cold," (having no blood supply), hard (the surrounding tissue can contract down into
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>>What would have happened if I had retreated back into ESTness, or the isolated comfort of the ESTworld, or blew off everybody with my newfound "outrageousness".... one shudders to think...>>> If you are really curious, take a look at Jim Tsutsui's writings on Delphi "Rants & Raves." More dangerous, or perhaps more ins
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People make the mistake of thinking that cults, or what it is that makes cults problematic, has something to do with religion. Cults can be about anything. It's not the doctrine or the dogma that distuguishes these groups. It is those tactics of persuasion, indoctrination and control that they utilize. (Good post, Alexis.) Ellen
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Hi Alexis, >>When I was in landmark's leadership program, they had a phone >>script for getting people to join. Primerica had huge binders >>of "recruiting" scripts. (Ackk! a LGAT and a MLMS ---- what was my >>problem ) >So yes they do have manuals or scripts or "think this only" words you >&
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Wary posited: >>We agree. I think ana323 is fully capable of free will and self-help.>>> That's a bit of a leap, old boy. Unless you have some private correspondence with "ana," you are making an assumption that may or may not reflect her(his) current state. The spectrum of influence or control is a broad one. It begins with "sugge
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He's baaaaaaaaack. And just as presumptuous as before. Can you believe it? $79.00? (Or $39 for a book?) This guy has b*lls. Considering what true and unredeemable junk he wrote. Yes, hard to figure but this has been reprinted. Available on Amazon where you can also "vote" for you-know-who's review. (Someone on "R & R" found this.) Ellen
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>>Are you speaking from personal experience? >>As Corboy noted about "hurtings" mother, we just don't know the facts, do we? >>If you think "Ana" is in the clutches of evil brainwashers shouldn't you >>show some compassion for her? >>After all, she can't help herself, can she?&
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Sooooooo "ana," >>>while i find a lot of the information posted on this site useful,>> In the 35 some-odd years and mountain of experience, research, writing, observation, victimization, study, and cult-watching by scholars, journalists, academics, physicians, "victims," former members, analysts, deprogrammers, and families compi
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>>Thanks for the reply, Elena. I'll take that as a no to my question.>>> There's no "No" in my response. >>As for the phrase "got value" that you said was some kind of a catch phrase.... Well I do a lot of stock trading, so I think in those terms.>>> So does Landmark. And a lot of ot
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<<Who in this forum has done something or belonged to something that has been of benefit to them? i.e Church, volunteer org., 12 step program etc. A lists of good organizations that are "clean"? Just curious.>>>> Oh please, Go back to lurking. No, go back to the beginning and educate yourself before you try this kind of
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This is so bad it would be funny if so many people didn't take this stuff seriously. I can't imagine what they must be thinking. This stuff is garbage. I don't think even ole Werner was this bad. Ellen >>The pillars are Integrity, Relationships, Existence and Enrollment. Here are the definitions of each as presented in this handout: Integrity
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>>In the last couple of days I have had to threaten them with making an official police complaint about harassment and misuse of the phone. Seems to be working but absolutely ridiculous that one is forced to take such action!>>>> Nothing like a little history to put things in perspective: These sales tactics hark back to Werner Erhard's door-
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It doesn't sound like ethics or integrity to you because it isn't, as you've suspected. It's all pretense. The only people they rope in with that stuff is people who do actually have some sense of their own integrity or ethics. The words don't mean anything to a sociopath unless they are being used to manipulate others. The concepts themselves are a joke to a sociopat
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Interesting dilemma. Keep us posted. You are lucky you had the wherewithal to do a little research. Landmark has been able to fly under the radar, so to speak, but it has roots and parallels to some really creepy groups and "ideologies." Lots of people don't, and for any of a number of reasons "fall" for the pitch which is tailored to appeal to your worst fears abou
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Ahhhh, but it is a mystery. And there are lots of myths floating around about what hypnosis is, exactly. I and others have posted a whole slew of stuff on alt.fan.landmark regarding hypnosis from the sensational to the scholarly. What is seems to boil down to is that, for undetermined reasons including possible genetic factors, a certain segment, usually estimated at between 10 and 20% of the
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Just as you suggest, Notmad. One of the quickest and most effective ways to "deconstruct" the personality is through the sexual identity route because it is the "bedrock." That they use these tricks on people to destroy whatever foundation they have holding them up and then turn them loose with nothing to ground them but the "empty & meaningless" nonsense
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>>BTW - this site and this discussion board have been largely instrumental in getting my loved one out of Landmark. She is now on the road to recovery. Oz>>> Any feedback on which posts, or was it cumulative, maybe? Was there one particular poster who affected her? Ted Patrick, the original cult "deprogrammer," talks about
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Yes, it's a sign of serious "infection" with Landmark "memes," jargon, and "concepts," - in other words, brainwashing. I amazes me no end that otherwise intelligent people will willingly and gladly give up their own conversational style, education, and intellect to adopt the most sickening and idiotic Landmark garbage. Just shows you the power of persuas
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There is a lot of information on PSI over at alt.fan.landmark Just Google within the group. Ellen
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Yes, they are trained to look directly into your eyes and smile big with much more intensity than most of us would find comfortable with strangers. Same thing salesmen are taught. It can be likened to the "predatory stare" Robert Hare mentions in "Without Conscience." They know that some people will be disarmed or mesmerized by this tactic. Ellen
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