Hi Marc, (hope that's not your real name) That's great! The more, the merrier. Landmark was closed down in Sweden recently, after an unflattering news piece. I have tried to get a "60 Minutes" transcript from the 1991 segment about Werner Erhard, but haven't been successful. Perhaps you might have some idea about getting it to post to usenet. Please check yo
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(Europeans call cults "sects," or "sectes.") .....* In France, the government (through the Interministerial Mission for Awareness against Sectarian Risks [1] (http://www.miviludes.gouv.fr/)) has classified Landmark Education as a secte (cult). (Some dispute this classification.) (Also:) In September 2004 Landmark Education filed a one million USD suit against the R
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*going to give you a name tag with a secret profile number 1-5 in order to best 'market' you Marc, Do you know what the numbers correspond to? I image they are similar to the five personality "types" that are used by other groups and cults: Thinkers Feelers Doers Seekers Game-Players Ellen
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LOL...I think you just about covered it, Marc. Ellen
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QuotelovinglifeOh well. Go on. Call me brainwashed and a victim. Yes. I did the Landmark Forum 4.5 years ago. I loved it, and yes, I wanted more and saw it as good value (sorry, but it is, compared to what I pay for other training, such as IT skills). The results: - My relationship with my mother changed from being an argumentative one, to a loving one where we both get heard (and no
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There are hundreds of better ways than paying money to these slicksters, who are mainly interested in giving you some kind of an artificial "high," like the drug pusher who wants to get you hooked so gives you the first hit for free. That's how they operate, psychologically. The legitimate avenues are not nearly so filled with dazzling promises or "possibilities," but m
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Thanks "escapee," You will find lots of corroboration here and other newsgroups where people speak freely about Landmark, though it is disturbing that some have recently disappeared or been threatened by Landmark lawyers. You may or may not know that Rick Ross is currently being sued by Landmark. They go after insiders aggressively and I would caution you to protect your identity.
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QuoteSL1993Look. You opened up with QuoteIf anyone would like to see the article in its entirety, I'd be glad to email it to you. So, I said I'd like to see it. And then you started attacking me. I definitely don't need this at this point of my life. F**k you. Good bye. (Note to Moderators: Is this behavior acceptable????) I think "Glam" mistook you f
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There are many horror stories on the internet of various companies or corporations or departments that were "seeded" and then taken over by Landmarkers. This group are like weeds, and weeds of the most noxious kind - the ones that suck all the nutrients out of the soil or all the oxygen out of the water and overwhelm the environment so that only they can "survive" and eventua
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Only you're way cuter than ElRon. And too young to play the part of the "Master," including all the supposed accomplishments of the old gas-bag. Did you ever attend the "training," as you were asking about in your initial post? Ellen
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Here's a post from alt.fan.landmark regarding the above. You can search "Sweden" within the group for more details. Ellen From: lxxxxxxxx...@hotmail.com (Petezed) Newsgroups: alt.fan.landmark Subject: Landmark attack on major daily in Sweden Date: 18 Aug
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QuoteglamQuote .....especially when what they are "selling" amounts to ~nothing,~ or the equivalent of nothing; some cocked-up "ideological" hodge-podge, garbage "philosophy." I'd go even further: what they're selling is WORSE than nothing, it's a big box of psychological harm wrapped up in a twisted philisophical bow. Yes. It's not even as
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Quoteglam .....especially when what they are "selling" amounts to ~nothing,~ or the equivalent of nothing; some cocked-up "ideological" hodge-podge, garbage "philosophy." Especially when what they are selling costs them absolutely nothing, or whatever "licensing" fee they pay to Werner Erhard, which doesn't count. Ellen
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Quotesmh77Hi...can anyone give me some information about ChoiceCenter located in Las Vegas? A friend of mine is trying to get me to go through their Personal Effectiveness training. I went to their Guest Night and was pressured to sign up right away, which I declined. I did a couple of searches and found that it's related to LifeSpring. I'm looking for anyone who has gone through Ch
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QuotedglickerI just went through basic and part of the advanced course of Personal Dynamics. Need to speak wioth others who have been trough this and other LGAT's. thankfully I was able to leave before the damage was really done. I left feeling ashamed but soon realized I was being brainwashed and now want to expose this group. Please help. Here's a list or time-line from helpful po
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>>Confucianism is a study of human behavior in general. Confucius did not mention “salvation through hard work and sacrifice.” One thing I am certain, Confucius and Darwin are both naturalists and believe in the evolution of men.>>> If you substituted "the good life" for "salvation," would it make sense? In other words, did Confucius
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QuotehsuchijIn Chinese word, one word means a lot. For instance, the word "yong" means the following from my dictionary: 1) linear & 2) continuous Whenever a word is attached to "yong", the meaning of "yong" would then be explained by either (1) or (2). Here are several phrases started with "yong": a. forever b. long day c. soul imm
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Quotesonnie_deeHi Glam, The person who defined integrity to you has not got the landmark definition at all. "Integrity is being your word. doing what you said you would do at the time you said you would do it. It is also obeying the law" All staff and senior landmark leaders have integrity files where we had to "clean up" out integrity. This was a tedious nasty eve
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QuoteCousin2004Yes - it sure would! I think a good place to start (for me) is to log a complaint with the Better Business Bureau while I do my research & due diligence on obtaining an able attorney to represent my family. As it turns out, one of legal friends has found a clear-cut law state statute which negates Landmark's arbitration clause (which they bury in the fine print of the
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Hey Coz, There was a story on ABC's 20/20 tonight about a scammer tax-avoidance guru, one of whose "customers" was Tony Robbins. Why is it that guys like Tony Robbins, who make millions and millions, are so eager to try to save themselves a few bucks by cheating Uncle Sam? It seems to go with the territory... Ellen Confessions of a Tax Scammer Offshore Banking Gur
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Hi Cousin, Landmark has a long history of dealing with lawsuits. They are well schooled in the tactics that will protect their interests. You can imagine there are hundreds of cases over the last thirty-five years, and why have so few been publicized or scrutinized? Landmark, as a corporation, uses the same kinds of manoeuvers in a contentious situation as they use against individuals in th
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Yes, something Werner Erhard must have learned from L. Ron Hubbard; getting to people at a young age ensures future paying customers and more loyal followers and slaves. Funny thing, from time to time, as people's memories fade, the scientolgists try to slip under the radar and get themselves into the school system here where I live. But the minute some sharpie on the school board does a
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Hi there, This was from the Autralian 60 Minutes website: >>Have you been to a Landmark forum? 60 Minutes would like to hear from anyone who has done a course with Landmark Education in Australia. Please e-mail us, phone 02 9438 3433 or fax 02 9436 0527. "Bonella, Kathryn" <kbonella@nine.com.au> >>> Also, "
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Quotesonnie_deeThis is probably answered some where else but I have looked and couldn't find it. As someone who is working on deleting the influence this organisation had in my life I have a few questions or thoughts that maybe someone you who have either been there or have assisted other may be able to help with. Is it ever truely possible to de-programme yourself? How do you begin
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QuoteRachelI've encountered the blocking behaviour too. I've challenged two Landmark people that I know and get the same fixed smile and non-response. They seem to lack emotion at that point, but when talking positively about Landmark one of them, put her hand to her heart and declared that Landmark was the most wonderful thing that had happened in her life. She had more of an emotional
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Yes, ElRon referred to it as the "tone scale." Because he was a sociopath, he had no depth or understanding of emotions, instead learning to mimic or act by observing others. He learned that, in order to communication with non-sociopaths, one had to play the part. Especially if you wanted to sell them something. He "devised" his "tone scale" in order to manipu
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Quotesonnie_deeThanks for the Welcome Elena, I have been writing some of my experiences down, at the suggestion of the counsellor I was seeing. It is scary to recognise the manipulations now that I can see them (well some of them anyway) where as previously I just considered it coaching or my inauthenticity or what ever else technology was drummed into me. I was involved with Landmark
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Quotesonnie_deeCan Landmark drive someong to murder? I believe it can, It can tear a persons self esteem and belief down to a point where you follow only the Landmark technology and distinctions. You become argumentative and confrontative if someone disagrees with Landmarks/your own views. I put the Landmark/Your own views with a slash in it because your own views are meshed firmly to Land
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Hi Oz, I have long suspected the same thing. And sensed it happening. It is sort of like a recalcitrant child covering his ears and closing his eyes in an attempt to block out being scolded, for example. In cult members, various tricks are employed, such as silently singing a song or reciting a poem or chanting. They supposedly practice these techniques in close contact, nose-to-nose, so t
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Probably against "official" Landmark policy. I think they've always discouraged this type of thing for the reason that it robs new converts of the opportunity of practicing their selling skills and Landmark is all about selling skills. Also, it's impersonal. Landmark needs the personal touch, preferably from a friend or trusted confidant, to get the hooks in early to better
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