Oh Sylvia - The USA swim team will be safe from terrorists but not safe from the Aussie mean machine swim team. Seriously, it should all be allot of fun. Firewalking - yep, I've done that during my Kiyosaki days. I got the most amazing high from that phoney experience. From what I understand, hot coals actually transmit heat very slowly. Firewalking would be allot different, (and dangerou
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Hi Sylvia, Thanks for the Aussie appreciation. Something tell me this is the one lighthearted thread on this board - just a slight mention of Tony and no other LGATs in sight. So - the big question is: Which country is going to scoop the medal tally in the Pool in Athens? Will it be USA or will it be Australia or will it be The Netherlands - Inga's looking in peak race condition. Oz
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Sylvia - I'll match your test post and raise you another...
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This is a test post
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From time to time I have seen adds in the Sydney papers for this kind of work. Oz
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Sparks has raised a good question here which touches on belief. It is understandable for a person who has come out of an abusive cultic relationship not to "believe" in something or some "being" unless it can be scientifically proven. This position provides saftey and prevents the person from becoming susceptible to another abusive group. Scepticism can be health or unhe
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Just a reminder to all that 60 Minutes is still researching the story on Landmark Education. If you have a story to tell from anywhere in the world, please contact the producer -(details are at the start of this thread). Oz Edit: 8 Sept 2004 Aust EST This story is still current and being researched. The website is still requesting people to come forward:
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Acid - A log of relationship breakups caused by Landmark participation is a good idea. I'd put my two lines in it for sure! Oz
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An example of Pachelbel's Kanon, (Canon) is: I hope it plays for you. The "Money and You" room was like a modern hotel auditorium. Aircond was adjusted during the afternoon and night to keep us awake - it was very cold. The room was kept very clean. The presenter, (Kiyosaki), worked the room from the stage. He was charasmatic until someone questioned him - that person being ri
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Dr Lozanov's technique is "Suggestopedia" drawn from Yoga and involves the use of rhythm to invoke suggestion and auto-suggestion. Sounds like Mind-control to me. Lozanov chose baroque music rhythms as suggestive means and I recall Pacabell's Kanon played heavily during "Money and You" Corboy - Are you acquanted with Lozanov's work? I feel some healing is hap
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Thanks Coz for digging this information up. Through this info you passed on to me through mail, I have incidently discovered who trained who in the LGAT zoo. Interesting too that Anthony Robins was trained by Marshall Thurber! Let me preface the following with a reminder of my last post, that a person is not guilty by association. According to this link, ededge Marshall Thurber is a "
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Hi Coz - Thanks for picking this up. Kiyosaki et al definately used Bucky and Deming for credibility. The same tactics are being employed now by Kiyosaki establishing himself as a minstream best selling author. One thing we need to be careful of on this board is condemnation by association. I put Marshall Thurber in this class too as I don't know much about him other than he was the ar
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Coz - good detective work! Yes, this is the LGAT course From your links posted, I have also edited my origianal post to include the mastermind of "Money and You", Marshall Thurber, atterney and entrepreneur So it looks like Marshall Thurber, Blair Singer and Robert Kiyosaki are still very much alive and kicking in the Human Potental Movement. Here is also a link to the Bu
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Coz - I checked out Kiyosaki's "Rich Dad" website: It's very slick and in marketing terms, extremely "sticky". I noticed his wife Kim is still on the scene. She is a very smooth and suductive operator. I recall doing an evening seminar that Robert Kiyosaki and wife Kim delivered on relationships. Kiyosaki's Bio states that he sold his education company, (
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My experience with Kiyosaki has been negatively profound. Participating in his LGATs back in 1991-2 set me on a trail of personal destruction for 13 years. The effects of Kiyosaki on my life: The psychological processes he used in his LGATs had the following effects on my personality and life: 1. I became arrogant, only accepting that myself and fellow Kiyosaki "Money and You" gra
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Kiyosaki is a master at presentations. I recall from his LGAT weekend courses I attended back in 1991-2, he oozed confidence and masterfully handled the audience, (participants). Kiyosaki employed the same tricks that Landmark Trainers use, dodging questions, putting the focus back on the participant, ridiculing the participant while sucking up to the rest of the participants for "group&
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Rachel, I liked your idea about advising schools and school children about the dangers of LGATs. I learnt 2 days ago that a Secondary School on the North Shore of Sydney, Australia has been infiltrated by Landmark and students, 13 to 17 years, have been participating in Landmark Forum for Teens for at least the last 5 years. Let this be a warning to partents. Please investigate any exter
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Robert Kiyosaki is still extremely active in Australia via Pow Wow Events International, his books and radio appearences in Perth. Here is some information as to his past that I know first hand: Kiyosaki managed and presented my LGAT back in 1991. It was called "Money and You". Marketing of the LGAT was managed through a franchise arrangement in each participating country. From re
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Seeing Orr's name and Rebirthing triggered me back to 1991-2. I heard him speak in Sydney about this time at a Rebirthing Conference held in an auditorium at the Royal North Shore Hospital, St Leonards, Sydney, (nothing implied here just coincidental). At the time I was heavily involved in an LGAT and was receiving weekly rebirthing sessions, of which I had 11. Orr convinced me that th
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Hi PSIsurvivor, Legislation, media and word of mouth are the three potential ways to curtail/stop the work of LGATS. Legislation is the most difficult but probably the most effective. Landmark has been curtailed in France and Sweden, to what extent I do not know. Legislation may focus on: a) the unethical aspects of LGATS, in particular, Landmark using know psychological therapies to dr
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Cindy, William Kamm was excomunicated from the Catholic Church a couple of years ago and by default all members of his cult are too. You may check with the Office of the Bishop of Wollongong for the latest with this group. I thought they had dissapeared. Kamm believed he had visions of the Virgin Mary. Hhe also used sex a power trip over his female followers. Oz
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Hi Coz, Alpha is an introductory programme on Mainstream Christianity pitched to people who may not know allot about Christianity. Its format is ecumenical, being that it does not concentrate on any one particular donomination's teaching. The programme is a "kit" purchased from Holy Trinity Church Brompton, (London), which can be run by any church group. I understand that Alpha ha
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Alexis - There is no mention of any accreditation of the organisation nor is there any mention of their use of accredited methods. The 3 speakers have listed their qualifications. The website seems to have a "feel good" hook to it. Today's business world deals in facts. This kind of situation opens up the potential vulnerability of corporation's human resource divisio
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I have spoken with the Producer again today. She is making some progress but it is slow. Please come forward if you have a story to tell no matter where you are in the world. She has plenty of Landmark people coming forward. To balance things, she needs the other side of the story. Have you been a participant in any Landmark courses? Oz
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Hi Kittypaw, GC wrote a good piece on SELP within my thread on "Advanced Course Info Needed" Apparently the the SELP participant draws on art paper with crayons, depictions of the communities that he or she belongs. You no doubt belong to a community in which she is in. The objective of the exercise is for the SELP participant to develop through "coaching", an enrollment
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A subscriber to the name of WizardofOz responded to my private message response to Escappedintact. I presume these 2 people are one in the same. The challenge put to me was to post his message on this board as so I have below. Frankly, I don't understand why he asked me to do it and why he suggested I did not have the courage to do it. Must be some MEME running somewhere in his unconsciou
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To Escapedintact When a psychologist or counsellor is treating a client for drug and/or alcohol dependency, it is not necessary for the therapist to "shoot up" or get drunk to enter into the client's world. It is equally not necessary for a therapist to experience an LGAT, or more specifically, a Landmark course to treat the client. My remarks are not a "true for me" s
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60 Minutes in Sydney Australia is now accepting stories from other countries. The international number is: +61.2.9438.3433. Sydney time is +10GMT I understand that it may be hard to go forward and speak to the media but this really may be the opportunity we all need to end this sad and evil attack on our society. In my discussions with the 60 Minutes producer in Sydney, any interviews will
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Unfortunately not Hope. They want Australians: 1: Who have done any of the courses; 2. Who are not happy with LE. There are many Landmarkians coming forward from within who want to be interviewed but 60 Minutes wants to balance it with examples of bad experiences. I urge my fellow Australians to speak out! This could be the start of the end. Do you really want this org. to persist causing
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If you feel you can help with the 60 minutes investigations, please do so. I have spoken with the Producer so even if you just want to phone them and that's all, please do. This is your chance to seek justice. They need LE participants otherwise I'd go myself. Oz
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