NotOneOfThem, I wanted to say that your discussion of points raised by the celebrated Margaret Thaler Singer and your comments about those points really “hit home” for me. IE: I felt it in my gut. QuoteHorse stated 1. Your narrative of your own experience of the NWTA, dated 2/15/2007, which took place in 1993, states that you left the training late Friday night. Your narrative of the entire
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bigboyx5, I hope things work out for you. I am not aware of any MKP/Woman Within forums that are open to the public. I do remember finding some info quite a while ago on yagoogroups. Search MKP/NWTA etc. Those forums now seem to be closed, or the ones open don't have much on them. When my husband was involved in MKP the chat forum that he was a part of was "closed" to the publ
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I have given my account several times of what my husband has been willing to tell me of his weekend and what he claims to remember of the weekend. I don't feel the necessity to do so again. Sonsio, you were asked to give your account of the weekend, good diversionary tactic to ask me about my husbands. Read my previous posings. Your statement that " I choose not to provide t
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Sonsio, so we understand what you DID go through why don't you write down what happened to you as others have done and let us read it? That way we can understand the difference. Start from the beginning, tell it like it WAS, not just tell us that your experience was different, but really say what happened. Just like notoneofthem did but your version of what happened. For example,
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This question goes out to MKP members or men who were MKP members. I am wondering how many of you have the same relationships you had before MKP and how many of you have different relationships? IE: As in, wives, significant others, friends, parents and siblings. If you are still within those relationships, how do you feel they have changed or stayed the same? If you chose to disco
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Not suprising, I keep saying that our schools need to have an informational program to teach students to beware of these programs, the signs to look for etc. It is obvious that our schools need to learn what to look for. This is just another example of these groups making choices for people without full disclosure. IE: I am sure that parents are not given the true information about wh
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QuoteginahIf you go to the irs website, search for "mankind project" you get The Mankind Project (Until December 2006) Nevada City CA USA -- The Mankind Project Castle Rock CO USA -- The Mankind Project San Diego CA USA 1 The Mankind Project West Allis WI USA -- Select the code and it tells you this A public charity with a 50% deductibility limitation. Hmm, where are all
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If you go to the irs website, search for "mankind project" you get The Mankind Project (Until December 2006) Nevada City CA USA -- The Mankind Project Castle Rock CO USA -- The Mankind Project San Diego CA USA 1 The Mankind Project West Allis WI USA -- Select the code and it tells you this A public charity with a 50% deductibility limitation. Hmm, where are all the other
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QuoteformerimpactgradApparently the Mankind Project is linked to a web of spin-off trainings that are led by some of the same people. As was stated earlier, there is a training for women and there is also a training for Vietnam Veterans. Carl Griesser, the executive director of MKP, has published and sold books promoting the group's ideas. At $650 per trainee with relatively low overh
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Here is the article I mentioned in my previous post. Written my Mark Roggeman Notice when you read this how Mr. Roggeman finally points out to all of us how these LGATs all have a common background and are really "interconnected". Note, the Banquet that is given for these men on the last day was food brought in by the recruits and refrigerated until the last day. MKP did not sup
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An interesting document from use a find key and search for Mark Roggeman
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QuotedsuperJust wanted to pop on quickly and say that i have been involved with the MKP for about three years now and I have never been asked directly for a donation. I have received emails from time to time asking for support but I was definately never asked for any money while I was on my Weekend. I also wanted to say to Ginah that you have obviously been hurt a great deal by your husband a
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Quote7. Abusive language is used against the trainees. I couldn't find any specific references for this. anyone? According to my husband as soon as they drove up to sign in the verbal abuse started.
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QuoteGarya wrote The organizational environment is set up to foster an open discussion of the training model, its risks and benefits. If this was true then the documents of MKP would not be “secret”. They would be open to the public, and if I wanted to see them they would be available through a bookstore, through the library, or MKP would mail them to me or have their guidelines and manuals u
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Quotewe have an ethics policy in place to prohibit any leader or staffer to enter into a personal or business relationship with any man who has completed the training that might be seen as exploitive and what I have seen is that the bias is against entering into any kind of relationship with the man, MKP immediately during the weekend goes against this six month "rule" of not startin
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MKP recruiting techniques manual INVITING TO THE NEW WARRIOR TRAINING New Warriors rely on word of mouth and personal invitation to bring men to the Initiation Training. While we utilize other outreach methods, none is as effective as the sharing of the gift in a one on one relationship. Whether the intent is to get a man to the training or an outreach type event (Open Circle, Head, Hear
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I don't have to see a full documentary on the holocaust to understand that it was a horrible undertaking by many people. I can easily read part of a document to understand how sick the whole thing was. Same with MKP and Woman Within, I don't have to go and stay the full weekend to understand how damaging it is. Their have been several movies in my life that I have gone to see, wa
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Greatdane, I want to say thank you for showing respect to those of us who feel that our families have been harmed by MKP. As what2do stated, many MKPers sign up here, and then verbally bash us, or call us liars or both. I as well feel that you have been lucky with your NWTA and I-Group from your statements. I agree that some of these I-Groups may not be as harmful as others. Notice the as
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I suggest a book called "Cults in our Midst" by Margaret Thaler Singer Ph.D, she has been recognized as "the foremost authority on brainwashing in the entire world. She talks in this book about how even those aware of the techniques being used on them and how they work are still affected if they participate in these groups, or even if they "stay on the sidelines" and wat
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Wrong, it has been discussed, I suggest you real all postings before making the judgment that passing on process etc. have not been discussed. The techniques MKP uses makes it almost impossible for a man to pass, as well as makes it almost impossible for "questioning" of MKP. My husband tried to talk about his concerns that MKP was a "cult" during his weekend and at I-Gr
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Goodness, that is pretty inclusive. Another words, MKP takes responsibility for their actions and gives it to someone else. And as for the following: "In exchange for the services provided to me by The Mankind Project, an Illinois corporation, MKP Chicago, Inc., an Illinois corporation, their agents, employees, officers, volunteers, and contractors, and any person or organization assoc
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During my husbands weekend the slapping on the butt was not done with branches or objects, but with hands. They were pushed and shoved, slapped and screamed at as well and the "threatening" of death. From what I understood they were blindfolded walking through the woods at night, cold, exhausted, hungry, confused from what was being done to their minds. And were being controlled, yes
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QuoteDalmatianWhy don't I hear anyone here seeking outside treatment or evaluations of there loved ones that have been so "damaged" by MKP? Why not seek expert outside evaluations of your loved ones and post the facts the outside professional has to say about the weekend training??? I know that Dalmation was banned, but I thought that his question needed an "answer" for
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I am positively sure that someone will yell at me for this, but here goes. I did a search for public records in regards to irs etc forms. This was not easy and has taken me a very long time to do. MKP is not very open about their money situation. I have gotten my information from PUBLIC records, and legal for me to read and tell to others. Most places did not have any forms that I could fi
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Dalmation, you stated <<“Many Women don't want there husbands to be "independent thinkers" They want to "rule the roost" and want there husbands to be submissive to there way of thinking and doing things "its my way or the highway" so to speak”>> I am sure you see this all the time, it is common in MKP. Of course you and MKPers thin
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Thank You sooo much for this site. If not for the information that I have found on here about LGATs and "cult" groups I would probably be alone in my worries of the group my husband joined. I would have no information to help me understand what was happening, and I would be living in a situation where I did not know what to do. The information that I have found on this site proba
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QuoteginahThis was on another group and I found it interesting. Any thoughts from anyone in regards to this form of therapy that has been illiegalized in some states? Is this form of therapy used in MKP? If this form of therapy is used in MKP do they have fully licenced and trained facilitators involved during the session? Do they continue to monitor the person for adverse side effects of
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This was on another group and I found it interesting. Any thoughts from anyone in regards to this form of therapy that has been illiegalized in some states? Is this form of therapy used in MKP? If this form of therapy is used in MKP do they have fully licenced and trained facilitators involved during the session? Do they continue to monitor the person for adverse side effects of the thera
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I requested of Oprah several months ago to do a show on LGATs, cults and in specific MKP. I as well emailed, Montel Williams and Dr. Phil. I emailed several paragraphs about these groups, what type of mind control etc that is used on unsuspecting people. I as well emailed several web addresses for their research. I never received a reply from any of the talk shows I emailed. My suspici
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QuotedsuperI have posted before... I am an MKP member, although not a very active one. I think that it is really important to recognize that not everyone that attends an NWTA is emotionally ready. I understand that people have different opinions about groups, but I think if you are going to have a forum with all negative things on it, it is important to recognize that many men are leadin
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