In France...it ended with discovery and press and awareness. The press was "bad" for LE so they hauled ass. Generally, when the press, people, etc. begin to report things in increasingly negative numbers and enrollment drops or flattens...there will be a gestation peroid followed by a name change and a "transformation," in that the origins now mean nothing,
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QuoteezdoesitThe best advertisements against Landmark are Landmarkers themselves. EZ I bet you that Real Estate guy that did those two, left his phone number and e-mail, and said "it's like 15 years of counseling in three days," pulls those clips within the week. Any takers? Let's erase history people!
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Gestalt/confrontation therapy - very much discouraged from NATIONAL BOARDS. We call it "unlicensed Gestalt," or "untrained therapy techniques" in my setting. DISCONTINUED, to use at therapist's discression, therapist ASSUMES ALL LIABILITIES ARISING FROM SAID UNTRAINED/UNLICENSED TECHNIQUES. See Unqualified persons providing services, see Malpractice.
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QuoteajinajanQuoteajinajanSometimes Landmark grads are funny Watch and enjoy. Nuff said. Wow, that previous guy even brought up the book OUTRAGEOUS BETRAYAL, by Steven Pressman, and yet just denounced the book as "negativity." Here is another funny one: and another what do y'all think ? Are they shooting themselves in the foot with these videos w
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QuoteajinajanSometimes Landmark grads are funny Watch and enjoy. Nuff said. That is the most pathetic thing I have seen all week. And I work in a drug rehab facility.
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QuoteednaJust to update you guys: I did go and see my friend in the end, because she said she was doing no more Landmark. Of course it was not that simple, and she brought it up as a topic of conversation. Basically we ended up having an argument because she said I couldn't possibly know what it was like because I hadn't done the course. It was a pretty heated argument and we drew
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I know how I'd "christen" it... rimshot
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...I saw a MKP booth at a conference this year, and absolutely no one was interested. I asked the sole guy there if he heard of LE and he feigned ignorance...which I'm sure he had, just not about that. I stopped him in mid diatribe and walked away.
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Thought this was a no advertising site! Gix, get the F-out with that stuff!
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or the spam in general is a coincidence anymore. I tried to buy it, but I'm just not sold.
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I had to try to find some closure. She just vanished the day of her first paid staff job at LE. The Pressman book helped, A LOT. It fleshed out the vague areas she spoke about in jargon...I know using the jargon made her feel clever, but for some stuff that comes from a religion that believes we are clams evolved... ...I'm glad I didn't quit my day job. ...I'm glad I didn&
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Maurice, LE folks sound like dope dealers calling you up after hearing you went to an NA meeting. They don't call me, although they used to. I tend to not f-ck around, though.
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Quote"The Shadow"Hi Vic-Luc, I wasn't thinking so much as sueing go get money as a reward, but rather to bring a strong message to the LGATs to be more responsible for what they are doing. But the money would be helpful if the person needed therapy, or in the case of the man's wife who has been sent to jail. Thanks for your reply 'shad' LE, as a rul
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QuotecultreporterDamn right - except we differ on the point of being headed to be worse for the US than the US is - because I am pretty sure that we are already there. Just last month John Howard met with Hillsong and it looks as if they are also contributing to his finances. Does that matter though? Why are there no term limits?
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...I doubt that Oz can ever UN-F__K itself. Seriously. Pyramid schemes happen and there's not _much_ action taken as the law moves slowly there. LGATS? Howard is like having 12 years PLUS of a Reagan/Bush type in office. The electoral system is whack. The ruling party gets to decide what day is election day every year and they get to convolute the registration process/dates as well.
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Quotemelburn_ozHi all, Thanks for your replies, it's amazing to communicate with others who know EXACTLY what I'm on about and who have experienced the same. Vic Luc, I had actually already read your story and feel very much for you also, it really is tragic. I'm going to continue to read this forum and educate myself on the subject and the information you all have to impart. Th
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Quotemelburn_ozHi, I just did some googling and found this resource – I really wish I had found it before. Last year I was blissfully ignorant to white collar cults until my sister became involved in the Landmark forum thanks to her partner. A lot has happened over the last year so I'm going to try and condense it as much as possible and concentrate on where things are at right now. Bas
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QuoteThe ShadowHi Vic-luc What about a family member. as in the case of a wife who has joined Landmark/EST, Insight, et al... Can the husband sue on grounds of "Alienation of Affection"? 'shad' Only if you were married and he/she has money. You'll get half.
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QuoteRswinters1This is Rswinters. I would be willing... What do you need me to do? *pokes Rs in ribs* You gotta PM her
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QuotebrainstormerI'm sorry your post doesn't make very much sense to me, and in fact it's not even true (the part I can understand). You do. What you just did was a really common tactic LGAT people do. It made me laugh!
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QuoteThe ShadowHi Elena, Thanks for the clarification and additions to my comments. Another point I am trying to stress is that while people sign documents, and are under the impression that they cannot sue Landmark/EST, I think the issue of INFORMED consent has been missed. No matter what they call it, they can call it process, but they are merely manipulating words, and eventually th
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QuotebrainstormerThere are definitely two sides to this issue, and each side has the right to their opinion. There is no scientific evidence that will ever decide the issue, and there is no more humane side to it. Some people see people who are in cults in exactly the same way as someone who is kidnapped and held for ransom. Others try to draw from more psychological insight. I remember t
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...F__K WERNER ERHARD.
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QuoteMartinHQuoteThe Shadow ...as I was saying... WHAT A HOOT! -- If anyone really believes the Dalai Lama could possibly learn anything from Landmark/EST, then he/she is certainly existing in an altered reality! from now on I am going to refer to the Landmark "Education" Corporation as Landmark/EST, because, in spite of the fact that Leaders keep saying Landmark has noth
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QuoteThe ShadowQuoteVic-LucQuoteON2 LFQuoteON2 LF- You nailed it on the head. Well, if I were a city by-law officer I'd be pretty insulted to know that some scambagger outfit was operating right under my nose, making huge profit while doing so and not reporting its business activities as the law requires. Maybe this is why it is so important for landmark to infiltrate legitimate organi
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QuoteThe ShadowQuoteVic-LucQuotenutrino..... what, exactly, qualifies these Know It Alls to speak so broadly on the subjest, anyway ? They paid for it, and in turn, became advertisers that pay they product they advertise. When asked if it is Pyramid Sales, Landmark "Leaders" will say it is not. But the structure follows the same structure as Pyramid Sales Companies, EXCEP
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Thanks, and on a further note, I did go to see my Doctor today as I thought that I might have to get some anti-anxiety medication. She asked me why and I told her about my friend and Landmark(EST). She reacted immediately and told me about her sister in South Africa who had to resign from her job as Human Resourses Head of a big company because she refused to go along with the implement
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QuoteThe ShadowHi Vic-Luc, hmmmm, feedback noted...I see what you mean...but I am not prepared to just cut her loose. OK, so I will have to rethink this... I AM ABSOLUTELY NOT NOT NOT :roll: going to sign up with the Landmark/EST Junkies....first of all because I do not have the money, and second of all because I do not have the stamina (I have a physical handicap and I get very tired ver
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QuoteVodnikHi. This is my first post here. Since lurking on this forum and learning about LGATs, I have been wondering if anyone can give me a name for the particular LGAT I am about to describe. I preface it with a little bit of a story, and the fact that receiving an answer is a complete shot in the dark. A long time ago (1990-92), I lived in California and had a friend whose name I will wit
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QuoteON2 LFQuoteThere's no law against a group of people meeting and "having a conversation." It would be nice if authorities would recognize those 'conversations', in practice, as being conspiracy to commit fraud and to intentionally deceive and coerce unsuspecting victims into becoming deployable drones for a ruthless organization. It's unfortunate that
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