QuoteboonetahoeQuoteVic-LucQuoteboonetahoeI never thought I'd be recommending that someone do the Berger thing. But, your families' on the line. Sigh. Stop being an apologist and go back to playing paintball...and for chrissake, don't use your e-Bay ID here. Educate me. Why not (use the eBay ID?) I can't. You're still in sales/enrollment mode. It's a neat thi
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QuoteboonetahoeI never thought I'd be recommending that someone do the Berger thing. But, your families' on the line. Sigh. Stop being an apologist and go back to playing paintball...and for chrissake, don't use your e-Bay ID here.
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You noticed how quickly boonetahoe bolted and said thanks for the chat when the pro-LE argument was advanced, and the logic didn't hold up?
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QuoteZorroThen the 22nd light bulb changer announces to the group that there is this LE vision called "Light Bulb 2020" where by all light bulbs around the world will be "transformed" by the year 2020 and that everyone must go out and recruit people to become LE Light Bulb changers in order to bring "transformation" to all light bulbs. Altho
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QuoteON2 LFQuoteBlue PillThe 18th bulb changer will now take to the stand and declare that the 17th bulb changer is simply trying to look good by dazzling the coachlings with their own impossible vision. No 18 goes on to share with the group that he in fact, was once a light bulb changer for Microsoft Corporation and was fired for premature light bulb changing contrary to corporate policy. Th
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wait: 14- One to sue claiming the last lightbulb had any connection with the new lightbulb!
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QuoteON2 LFthere's a 12th light bulb changer. The one who is being a stand for this new and original light bulb, and is monotonously praising the source of the light bulb for empowering him to change a light bulb for the first time...ever. 13th- One to change the name of the lightbulb and claim it has no previous connection to the last lightbulb!
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I wonder... if they'd say MLK Jr. was responsible for him getting assasinated?
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QuotemauriceQuoteyutoliaThis strikes me as similar to Landmark's practice of claiming past people of great importance "did not have access to the Forum but embodied it's meaning" and that these people would have been "enrolled" if they had the opportunity. People like Martin Luther King and Gandhi that actually probably would have run screaming from t
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QuoteBlue PillQ - How many Landdies does it take to change a Light bulb? A - 5 One to tell you it doesn't matter anyway because the universe is meaningless, One to tell you its only your perception its broken and needs replacing One to lend you a spirit level to make sure its vertical when you are done One to tell you about the time they became "present" to a
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QuotehamptonI was proudly told by a Forum leader that "Pay it Forward" and "What the Bleep Do We Know" are, in his words, "products of this education." I took that to mean that without Landmark, the films would not exist. I haven't seen either film so I do not know how the content is analogous to Landmark "technology."
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QuoteBlue PillI m guessing most LE survivors here have heard the Leaders using the extract from the Matrix where Morpheus is explaining to Neo the real reason for the Matrix and its purpose - "You have been living in a dream world Neo". So basically Landmark are trying to use a well known film to convince everyone that until stumbling into Landmark, they have been in an &quo
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Blue...these sound like great ideas. But. And I have to say this as one human to another: You sound like you're still clinging to LE, Blue. Or an apologist. There are many 12 step programs out there that are absolutely free. There are many group counseling sessions that are quite inexpensive. These are just a few examples. There's no need for something that already exists. Ot
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QuoteZorroInteresting....did you see the youtube videos in the upper right of the home page. I wonder if Landmark has anything to do with those videos or is it just some random link that they put on their site from Daiko. The first video I saw was from Transjoik How appropriate! Trance Music! The second Transjoik video is: If you watch closely you will see a banner above the stage
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Sh*t...I almost went, my fiancee was so manipulative and conniving. I was going to go to shut her up. What the above members posted, PLEASE FOLLOW. RUN, don't walk away from this situation. Run flat-out like the heat is on you, as far away as you can.
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I think it's needed: I just saw a pic of my ex, a recent one. She looks horrible. Gaunt in the face, tired, kind of sickly...with a glazed look in her eyes. In March, she was absolutely stunning. Now she has the look of a cocaine or methamphetamine user. Even when she was sick, she never looked that bad...and in her mind, she's doing so well in life, the recent pic she po
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QuoteBlue PillHopefully you have read my post regarding my experience with my ex girlfriend who is totally addicted to their drug of "human transformation". She does Introduction Leading and on their Coaching course both of which run in blocks of 6 months of "commitment". I know she spends about 20-30 hours per week on this stuff including time there and all th
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Quotecorboy So...is this 'what is holding you back?' just normal sales-person slang? Or is this a characteristic turn of phrase one learns in an LGAT? When my clearly stated preference meets which such radical lack of respect, that pisses me off, big time. Yes. Very much so, very much a part of LE-speak.
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Quoteajinajanhttp://www.transformationfilm.com/scheduled_screenings.htm QuoteSCHEDULED SCREENINGS Currently there are no scheduled screenings. Please check back as we will have some exciting news about distribution, including a theatrical release and DVD sales, to share in the near future. Argh, I want to get a DVD and see what's on this "documentary", produ
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Quotejoe6 Did you really achieve lasting results without need for follow-up? It's ambiguous, but if it's a change in lifestyle and behavior, to last...it takes a LOT more than 3 days or even 3 months (although 3 months intensive for a crisis may work). Also, results are never defined. A lot of grads use an equation. I'll give a few very common examples: THE BIG ONE- Me +
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QuoteHopeOne of the principles of selling is to use your potential customer's name as much as possible during a conversation. Landmark and others just take it to new levels. I can't believe my fiancee was always in "sell" mode. She even wrote her last e-mail to me with my name at the end of a sentence. When we were dating, after the SELP, she said my name so many ti
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QuoteBlue PillQuotestarryOh yeah, except my dad was (still is) in with the Rajneesh lot. Swap the names of the 'organizations' but the methods they use are the same and the effect on people, friends and family is the same. Welcome. Hope you can start to find some answers here. Well thank god (whoever that is) i am not alone. I must say in some way this lot are VERY impressive i
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Is that a normal LE practice? Repeating someone's first name over and over in conversation? Annoying as all get out.
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Yeah, watching the standard therapy types at the uni, it was glaring which therapist was fucking up: It was ol' psycho Fritz Perlz creating a destructive counseling session. The guy was like Werner: COMPLETELY UNHINGED with no boundaries or respect. Gestalt therapy is really only used by the unlicensed and the clueless. That type of therapy has been found to be largely unproductive and
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...almost exactly like what I went through.
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QuoteHopeVic-Luc, I wasted a short amount of time with her before I found two wonderful MLSWs who specialized in cults and their ilk. Glad you found someone good. Glad to hear it. I don't know what quack would send someone to LE or advise them to without doing any research.
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QuoteON2 LFQuoteWe can't let the lack of money get in the way of the battle with Landmark. What Landmark may have in money they lack in resourcefulness and creativity. Something that we as well as the research community all has. Landmark also lacks ethics and accreditation, in a big enough way that when the time comes to defend their cause to the legal or academic authorities, they haven&#
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Quotebrainstormer I don't even know what a LGAT member is, but if I said that you sound like a certain of person of a cult for saying what you said, how would that feel? Nothing at all. If it's not true it doesn't bother me. I don't carry around that unhealthy amount of insecurity. Good luck to you in your endeavors. Have a nice day.
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QuoteON2 LFI hope the American Psychiatric Association wakes up to the damage the wanna bees are causing and puts an abrupt stop to every unethical, illegal, and incompetent practice of psychotherapy or counselling, whatever its disguise, and lobbys for legislation that will keep it stopped. It takes time and research, which requires money...a luxury LE has and that researchers don't.
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QuoteHopeI didn't go to a psychiatrist. I went to a psychotherapist who specialized in mainly verbal abuse, which I naively thought at the time was the biggest issue. Most therapists are not trained to understand problems associated with danderous groups, LGATs, etc. I did go to the free support group that the cult-specialist-LSW has and learned how similar the dynamics are, whether it
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