I posted my last comments in an effort to make a point and be funny at the same time but I would honestly like to hear logical, non-inflammatory comments from Impact Grads. Please make sense and address some of the specific comments made here by the rest of us. Declarations and affirmations have no power in this forum so you're going to have to use a different approach, try talking to us l
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Rswinters makes a great point and I can personally attest to having witnessed the narcissistic and arrogant behavior and attitudes of Impact Trainers, Staff and Graduates. Like most Impacters, GetaLifePeople has attempted to impose his/her own will and demand rights while at the very same time demanding that other people forfeit their own rights. If I witnessed terrible breaches in ethical co
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QuotehiajonAS A PERSON WHO HAS ATTENDED IMPACT I CAN SEE WHY SOME DON'T CARE FOR IT BUT IT HAS BEEN A GOOD THING FOR ALOT OF PEOPLE IT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE BUT FOR FOLKS THAT ARE OPEN TO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE GOOD GO KEEP A OPEN MIND NO ONE FORCES YOU TO DO ANYTHING IT IS YOUR CHOICE AND IF IT WORKS FOR YOU CONGRADULATIONS IF NOT THATS PERFECT TOO LETS NOT JUDGE THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE THERE
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I'm going to quote the two posts here and respond in the main thread.
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That's interesting. I found the link if anyone is interested: He attempts to make the point that sex offenders who abuse children multiple times can be rehabilitated. How many more children will have to experience life altering and emotionally crippling sexual abuse by a multiple offender before we can be sure that he/she is rehabilitated? I wonder if Robert Paisola is worried ab
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Forgive me for creating so many successive posts on this issue but I discovered more information about Robert Paisola, motivational speaker, volunteer staff member and public apologist for the Impact Trainings. In case the sex offender/child pornography link didn't reveal enough about this person's character I have added one more link: This link contains an audio conversation
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Just an FYI for all the readers of this Forum. The Impact Trainings press release, "Impact Trainings, an unbiased review" or something like that was written by a grad named Robert Paisola. Robert Paisola is a debt collector and credit counselor with a questionable reputation in his field. He commonly calls himself "moneytrainer" and may be the same person that made the comm
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Whatthe?? I just wondered if you ended up going to the guest presentation. What's new with your friends? Please post and let us know when you get a chance. Thanks!
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I've spent some time lately reflecting on why I think the Impact Trainings are such a destructive force in the lives of their trainees and I came up with a couple of reasons that I wanted to post on here. These ideas have probably been hinted at in prior posts but I don't know if the message has come across as clearly as I think it needs to. As a result, I submit the following: On
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Unfortunately the Tuesday night meetings don't shed much light on what really goes on inside the training room. They'll probably have everyone mingle and introduce themselves using an alternate name. They will draw a picture of a heart or a diamond and make a comparison to an individual soul. From there they will have everyone pair up and the "investigators" will discuss so
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Hail Xenu!
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Addison_guy, Good Luck. I never noticed that hypocrisy before but you are right on. If a trainee is not stable enough to make major decisions, then how can they be expected to choose wisely in committing to more training? The last day of every level of training is largely devoted to pressuring trainees into moving on to the next level. Each level of training has specific processes design
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addison_guy, The Impact Trainings commonly distributes coupons for $250 off the Quest tuition. Just in case your wife felt like she was being singled out and special, no one paid for a portion of her training, its one of the "recruiting tools" that is commonly used to get people into Quest.
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Talking someone out of the Impact Trainings can be difficult at first. Without knowing more about you and your spouse it is difficult to give specific advice but I'll post a couple of things that may be of help. One of the charts that is posted and used in the Quest training is: Reasons VS Results The main thrust of the chart is that people, and organizations, either create
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Apparently the Mankind Project is linked to a web of spin-off trainings that are led by some of the same people. As was stated earlier, there is a training for women and there is also a training for Vietnam Veterans. Carl Griesser, the executive director of MKP, has published and sold books promoting the group's ideas. At $650 per trainee with relatively low overhead, since most peopl
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LP, I would be very interested in knowing where you got your financial facts from. Saying "Hacking and Sleuthing Skills" doesn't mean very much. Additionally, what kind of finance background do you have? Without wanting to sound too confrontational, I think your statements and conclusions are made up. I am more than willing to change my stance on that subject, but I would
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LP, In answer to your question about "IF". I used that term to show a small amount of respect and regard for your position. It seems beyond any reasonable doubt that MKP "IS" causing serious psychological damage to many men. What is MKP trying to get guys to do that they would not otherwise do? Read the thread. The bottom line is that their methods are designed to ke
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LP, If the group is causing psychological damage to its trainees then it deserves all the criticism that it gets and more. What's your basis for saying that its just a bunch of guys trying to improve? Have you read the excerpts from their manual? Their system is set up to manipulate their trainees and create compliance in the group of men through some questionable methods. Many men
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I have heard it said on several occasions that MPK is not money driven. The usual justification for this assertion is that because MPK is a non-profit company then there must not be anyone making significant amounts of money. L. Ron Hubbard, before founding scientology, once wrote a letter to a friend and stated that the best way to make money is to start a religion. Contrary to what is beli
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The main difficulty with this question, as I see it, is that most "Human Potential" trainings offer little in the way of follow up studies to determine whether or not their methods are effective. Human Potential seminars make most of their money upfront before the trainings, as a result there is not much of an incentive to follow up and ensure that their processes work. Many people
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Don't Love Impact... I also kept in contact with a number of people from my group and from what I saw; the people that left Impact without going into the Trainer in Training series generally experienced very little long-term effects from the program. Those that continued often never recognized the hypocrisies in the Impact Trainings use of terms like "Integrity" and "Being yo
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From what I've gathered by talking to other people who have attended various LGAT's, it seems like most of them are fairly similar. The Red/Black game, Lifeboat and corny skits or "stretches" seem to be fairly common. It looks like the court documents have been posted on the main site: I still want to get specific minutes for some of the cases, but the documents t
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I have obtained several documents from the state courthouse detailing various tax leins, lawsuits against and judgements for and against the Impact Trainings Corp and/or Hans and Sally specifically. Is it possible to post these documents in PDF format on this website? All of the documents are a matter of public record. While I have been able to obtain state records, I have had a more difficu
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It sounds like a lot has happened on this thread since I last logged in. Thank you for all the great contributions exImpact, Madshus, don'tlikeimpact and Markymark(I may have forgetten someone). I'll throw in my two cents on some of the topics that have been discussed here since my last post... don'tlikeimpact...most of the time when I come across someone removed from the trai
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Hey Madshus, did you read my whole post or just the one line that you quoted? drivingthecar made a good point a couple of days ago when he said that he was tired of reading about the religious side of the training and was more interested in reading about the numerous manipulative and brainwashing techniques that are completely unrelated to any form of religion. By devoting so much of the main
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In order to satisfy readers who do not have any interest in learning about the various spiritual and religious teachings of the Impact Trainings and their staff I thought it might make sense to create a separate forum that specifically addresses these concerns; As always I invite anyone with questions or comments to please post them for the benefit of the entire group. However as a courte
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Many people view the Impact Trainings as a source of stress and concern for a number of different reasons. The main Impact Trainings forum; still remains intact however in response to some comments from specific users, I thought it might make sense to add a second Impact Trainings Forum to specifically address various religious topics that may be of note in regards to the trainings. In or
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exImpact summed things up pretty well on these two subjects. I wasn't aware that Hans had any kind of educational background, but I do know that none of the trainers have a formal degree in therapy, psychiatry or any other form of human behavior. In many of the guest presentations that I attended Sally Berger proudly announced this fact followed by some statement declaring that they had no
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Drivingthecar made a great point. The reason that so much space has been spent on theology is because there have been a number of questions asked by people of local Christian faiths. As a result, the discussion has tended to flow that way. In answer to your concern, yes the training is very manipulative. In 1984 George Orwell coined the term double-speak, meaning evasive and ambigous langua
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exImpact mentioned that, in his opinion, LDS people tend to have the most difficult time being involved with the Impact Trainings because their beliefs are regularly challenged and often belittled. I fully support everything that was said in his paragraph. I am not LDS myself but while in the training I became aware of a release from the head of that faith regarding "self-awareness gro
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