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16 years ago
frank_d
QuoteAnidawehiActually, I think that some true "rigorous," "honest," and "civil" (in your words) debate is going on here--maybe not in every post, but in many. For instance, FrankD and I have been debating for a week or two and he has actually made me re-think my position on several points, has helped me to fine tune my points, and has changed my opinion on several p
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
QuoterrmoderatorThis is not a board to discuss other boards.Agreed. I have one question and that is this: How many people who MKP has 'allegedly' hurt were already having serious issues in their lives and the involvement with MKP brought those issues to the forefront. Using rrmod's explanation about how LGATs can harm members because they are not professional therapists, they d
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16 years ago
frank_d
Quoterrmoderatorfrank-d: Please don't cut and paste long posts from other discussion groups here.ok. Abridged response to Ivy's comment: QuoteIvyOh by the way, the Mod did remove them, they just quite posting because they got backed into a corner. This is false. You are being lied to (hmm, Deja Vue) Here is the truth. Platinum Weasel was REMOVED after he sent a post to t
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16 years ago
frank_d
QuoteIvyI agree with the mod. they have 2 sets of rules, come to forums like this! But keep theirs Closed!!! They could use different names??? It's a double standard thing! To be fair! IvyHow is this 'agreeing' wit the mod? He never said there were two sets of rules or they had 'double standards'. As far as the comment that they Have 'double standards',
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16 years ago
frank_d
QuoterrmoderatorBased upon your comments and others here along with the materials posted that expose the manipulative techniques of MKP I would not recommend MKP to anyone. It appears to be a potentially unsafe and destructive program. I would not suggest anything other than, in my opinion it's a mistake to be associated with MKP. LGATs are just too risky and lack any accountability
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
QuoterrmoderatorMKP is not a meaningful substitute for professionally trained counselors that are licensed, regulated and accountable to state and professional bodies and associations. It seems like a senseless risk to put anyone through MKP. The much more safe and viable option would be seeking help through a counseling professional or professinally led support group recommended by your do
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
QuoterrmoderatorIt sounds like I-group for many of its participants has become a substitute for professional counseling with a licensed therapist and/or a therapy support group faciitated by a trained professional. When people use professionals as opposed to an LGAT like MKP they have some assurances concerning leaders regarding education, experience and ethics pertaining to enforced accountab
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
QuoteAnidawehiI think you make some good points in your responses, and I agree with many of your points, but perhaps I could tease out a few distinctions. I think that the money that certain groups like the Girl Scouts is "precoccupied" with making is primarily so the group can continue to run its functions (e.g., food & lodging for girl scout camp) is different that the money t
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16 years ago
frank_d
Quotehelp_usNot flaming???? What you say about Ivy is rude and disrespectful. True, he should have taken the higher ground and not singled her out like he did. It is better to make an observation like: "On the 'ex_mkp' list there are 'some people' whose comments are often come across as just rants, and it is difficult to find their 'point' except 'ang
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
QuoteThanks for the link. I checked it out. Like Mod, I never said mkp is a cult, but a LGAT. I did say that mkp has cult-like tendencies, but not enough to be considered a cult. By quoting the resource you linked, we can see some cult-like tendencies. I hope I was clear that I know the moderator has NEVER called MKP a cult? It's because of that fact that I give this board my respect. You ca
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
Anidawehi and SeekTruth, Overall I have seen that the moderator has been pretty fair about posts and does his/her best to keep out the anger and personal attacks. And (unless I missed something) they do not call MKP a 'cult' on this site, they call it an LGAT. I'm willing to agree that they use LGAT techniques, however so does the Marines, most fraternities and other groups that
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
QuoteIvyThere is lots of information on the Yahoo site (ex_mkp@yahoogroups.com) Its a cult, nodoubt! No Doubt. Just ask the thousands of men who have gone to the weekend and still live their regular, normal lives.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
QuotefeldsparFrank I'm glad you got a lot out of your experience. I agree that it may be beneficial for some men. I would caution against equating the NWTA which you participated in with MKP. As you caution against people posting who have not "experienced" the MKP, you as well have not experienced MKP, only the training adventure. The goals may be laudable but the nuts and bol
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
Quotewhat2doI think the only true goal they have is money. This entire organization brings in a lot of money. It goes somewhere. This is why I equate MKP to Landmark, Lifespring, Scientology, etc. They all speak of the good they can bring to a person, after that person pays a lot of money.Some of these groups you mention almost force their members to give them 'titheing' (a percentage o
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
Quotewhat2doAfter my husband's weekend, he was bombarded with calls. He told each one he did not want to attend I-group. He was questioned as to why. He must have received 5-6 calls in a 3 day time span. He finally told the last caller he did not want to receive any more calls, period. If and when he felt he wanted to attend more meetings, he would call them. They did finally respect his
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
Quoterrmoderatorfrank_d: Please offer something here other than put downs and would-be flames. Your comments are no better than what you criticize.Fair enough. I should take the high ground instead of playing the 'tit for tat' game. I think that something like 'scoffing at the "little boys playing at being men"' is a 'put down' and 'would be f
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
QuoteHopeI wrote....."The ad for The Mankind Project was on Craigslist. I posted a reply warning people interested to ask lots of questions, to be cautious as the seminar agenda sounded a lot of like Landmark. " Frank - can ya read???? Why be defensive about telling people to ask lots of questions. I've done the Forum, the founders of MKP are esties, so it is highly likely tha
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
QuotecarolzMy husband tries to put in his .02 on this foolishness by scoffing at the "little boys playing at being men" junk Jim talks about. He's a Freemason, and they have a whole different attitude toward what makes a good man, namely, family and church come before the Masons!!!Your husbands judgementalism is not surprisiong. In fact there is no actual 'discussion' in
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
QuoteHopeThe Mankind Project started sending me emails back in July. This is a copy of the post I had here back then... Has anyone been to this? They were advertising online that a seminar is being held in NYC. I looked up the home page and it sounds so much like Landmark Education that I did a little research. Nothing really suspicious came up, except that a Cliff Barry, who founded Shadow W
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
frank_d
QuotecarolzWhy I ask is that a friend belongs, and some of his behavior is unsettling. For example, the organization requires him to put it ahead of his family's needs. He "had to" send out emails and occupy the phone when his wife needed to call their baby's doctor because she was spiking a fever. The emails were more important than the health of the child. In addition, his w
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