I met the measures, I just don't have a moving average.
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Just because I was in the ILP doesn't mean I have a moving average.....As a former staff member you should know that not everyone in the ILP has a moving average. But I don't think you were a former staff member. Although you are good at avoiding the issue and making the other person wrong like a staff member.
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1.Restructured....hmmm let's see....how many times has that happened with Jack's gang? I don't know 2.How's your moving average? I don't have a moving average. 3.Are you getting the numbers you need? What numbers do I need. See I wasn't avoiding the question but there isn't an answer. Now a question for you.....When did you complete as a staff m
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As a former staff member don't you keep your stock? And if that's the case don't you know which company you have stock in? Just a very simple question. And I would like the question answered with an answer and not a comment or a make wrong.
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How's your moving average? Are you getting the numbers you need? ?????? Huh? I was simply pointing out that someone as in the know, like yourself, should be as up to date as possible when launching an attack on a company they used to be employed by.
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Guy as a former staff member or program leader or whatever YOU should know that they restructured and droped the Corp. That makes them LE not LEC......
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Doctor of Osteopathy profession (DO) HISTORY OF PROFESSION The first college of osteopathy was started in 1892 at Kirksville, Missouri, by Dr. Andrew Taylor Still. Dr. Still, who was originally educated as a conventional Doctor of Medicine (MD), believed that the continuum between health and illness was primarily influenced by the soundness and mechanical functioning of the body's struct
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It shows a certain level of ignorance.
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I couldn't care less about Amway either way. I do care that Celina's comment was totally inapproriate in an forum!
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"Can some one please enlighten me here... Was the asswipe who started Amway an American Jew, perchance?" Way to kill you credibility with anti-semetic(sp) statements! Just keep talking and everyone will run to whatever you are against. BTW, Amway was formed by two Dutch Reformed men.
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P.D. The answer to the question in no.
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As I stated earlier they chnaged the Landmark Forum about three years ago--they rewrote the source document meaning that werners work isn't even at the source of what is done now. Where do you get your information regarding the training of forum leaders?
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ok, lets say its only thousand and thousands of people. these people have been manipulated by landmark. keeping in mind that many of them now feel better about themselves do u feel it is wrong for landmark to have done this ? No. I think the tactics used in Est in in the Werner days are wrong. And I can tell you that Landmark Leaders are being responsible about things that have happe
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fill me in about dr phil -- Doctor Phil did Est in the 1970's. Ever watch him--he's changed the lingo but it's there. He talks about listening through a filter. He even did some class trhough Oprah that lasted way longer than the forum and was stricter. and then if u would please answer my question. what about the millions and millions of people that have been manip
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his brother is the lead attorney for landmark. Um actually he is the CEO not the lead attorney. he is supposed to take back control of landmark in the year 2009 if what some of the landmark grads mentioned once is true. It is not true. The only grads who care about werner are the ones left from the est days--whom i think are alittle over the top. He is only mentioned in classrooms in
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Okay, whatever. I am still a WASP and not someone waiting for the big spaceship. But you are forgetting a few things: 1) Werner never joined Scientology he took a few classes. 2) There a documents citing Hubbards hatred for Werner. 3) Several publications have now documented that the allegations made about Werner Erhard were untrue and recanted incuding Time Magazine, The Boston
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I can't answer your question.... First of all, I don't even think millions and millions af people have taken the Landmark Forum and Est combined. Also, out of the participants I would venture to say only a fraction of them felt abused. That fraction is a vocal fraction. For example, the two Brothers who wrote the Matrix did the entire program and wrote the the movie as a hommag
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Can we for a moment talk about Dr. Phil? His approach can be considered abusive. In fact, he did Est.
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landmark is a sect of scientology. u can read Outrages Betrayal , as part of the proof. it mentions werner taking scientology jargon and changing a lot of it to suit est. hubbard was a satanist. plain and simple. that is the truth. to many people this doesnt mean anything. Werner Erhard is on the Scientologist Hated List. Hubbard hated Erhard.
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It has given landmark a lot of cleaning up to do. I don't really know because I took the new Landmark Forum and the only people I know from the old days are people who have been involved with Landmark. So I cannot really speak about why....because I don't know what happened. All I can tell you is that they have changed the format.
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Quotepatrick-darcy i did the forum in jan 96. i have a question for u. obviously u didnt start wailing and screaming and crying like some of the people did but this is their empowerment process. they used to call it the danger process. what did u get out of it ? just what did the wailing and screaming and crying of the other people do for u ? and when that part is over and then
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I find it interesting and soemwhat unsettling that people. I don't think anyone should have to do the forum as a condition for employment--or a condition for anything. It is wrong--see I am not totally indoctrinated. Interestingly enough I thought about the whole empowernment before. And I do not have an answer. I can tell you that I am a powerful person in both yeilding results and
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I was sort of cynical when I went to the Landmark Forum, and my life was pretty much working so I didn't really put much at stake. I never even that Bill Gates had done the forum so I cannot help you.
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Yes, I did. In terms of relationships I realized that the reason I felt isoliated was because I pushed people away from me. I am actually a bitch--still am--but I also realize the effect that has on other people and clean it up. I am honest with them about why I do what I do....I feel like they could do it better than me, if they really knew they wouldn't like me, they are bugging the cra
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I wrote down two things that I wanted to look at 1) my relationships 2) my work
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I accept that it might be slanted but it does seem that deprogramming invloves a level of abuse--maybe not physical--but abuse none the less.
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HOW ABOUT THIS FOR ABUSE.... Ross upped his deprogramming fee, he told Tonkin, because of the risk of legal prosecution. He also added "muscle" to the operation in the form of a karate black belt expert. When Jason returned to his grandmother’s home one evening, they were waiting in the house. They jumped him, wrestled him to the ground, and dragged him into a waiting van, its wind
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It's time for a new system based on science not mysticism and superstition. You keep saying that but seem to offer no alternative. Now I don't believe in channeling but I do believe in God. And I find your whole arrogance to the subject disrespectful. You were treated badly by the Jewish Orthodox and it impacted you. I lost my boyfriend to the ICC and it took me a very long time
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of course some people see a divorce or dropping their friends and acquaintances as not damaging. I agree that it is damaging and irresponsible. I am just saying that in two years I have not come across that. I have come across people who pondering divorce decide to live inside of what they are commited to--making the marriage work. Did it ruin any of your relationships?
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"can u explain how your relationship is suppodely better. and the facts are out there that landmark does damage to many peoples lives. of course some people see a divorce or dropping their friends and acquaintances as not damaging. and do u remember the empowerment process. can we discuss it ?" I have not dropped a single friend since I did landmark. I embarked in having
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