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14 years ago
Mary Struggler
$30,000 Grant This is an interesting trend. Eastern Farm Workers Association is one of about fifty organizations affiliated with National Labor Federation. I have heard that several of the affiliates have received large grants from unsuspecting charities (not counting what they launder through NEJA). There was a time when the Organization would not take monies with strings attached. The gr
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
corboy
QuoteQuote: For all the attorneys, doctors and other professionals out there: the analogy between the NATLFED entities and Scientology does seem apt, as based on my own experience. I was one of the few attorneys they tried to recruit as a cadre member, probably because I was young and inexperienced at the time. However, all the other attorneys and doctors I met had no inkling what was going
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
14 years ago
corboy
How High Value Recruits are Enticed: QuoteFor all the attorneys, doctors and other professionals out there: the analogy between the NATLFED entities and Scientology does seem apt, as based on my own experience. I was one of the few attorneys they tried to recruit as a cadre member, probably because I was young and inexperienced at the time. However, all the other attorneys and doctors I met ha
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
Mary Struggler
The people who join NATLFED are rarely desperate or gullible. This political cult recruits a wide variety of persons including professors, doctors, lawyers, students, social workers, etc. The common thread being persons who are interested in changing conditions that cause poverty, who have seen the failure of other efforts and come to believe that NATLFED is the one true solution. The recrui
Forum: Coercive Persuasion and Undue Influence
14 years ago
Mary Struggler
501(c)3 It is hard to follow the money. Even with a 501(c)3 apparatus in place, which has records that anyone can look up on-line using the above link, an organization can still divert the money. The Provisional Party has a 501(c)3 in place called NEJA (National Equal Justice Association). It generates money and then it bestows grants on other operations (always a NATLFED organization).
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
corboy
Fiduciary Capacity and Due Diligence This quote is from Comment #21 following an article entitled 'Charitable Front' about NATLFED, a different organization than the one discussed here. All training programs for licensed professionals need to wake up, smell the coffee, and update their curriculum by telling medical students, students in law schools, clinical therapy programs, soc
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
dsm
You bring out some interesting points. You mention the 1984 point of connection between the two organizations. The actual separate identity of the organizations is, in my opinion, irrelevant to the point of how these orgs work together to enforce cult goals among the people they exploit, recruit, or injure. I saw the joint activity from the point of view of someone with cadre-level training a
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
Mary Struggler
I have been working very hard to educate people about the truth of NATLFED. There is much disinformation about the group because the Party is a secret organization (albeit a secret that's "out of the bag" and discussed in various forums). Most people confound the Party with NATLFED. Granted, NATLFED comprises the largest open fraction within the Party but by no means is it the o
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
dsm
If you do not see the violent side of Take Back The Night, how it in fact supports and encourages the rape of women as part of its own sexual warfare, you never saw the full truth about NatLFed. The New York office was full of upper class play-revolutionaries who were training young kids to accept the abuse as "normal" so that their activists in the field could be trained to us abus
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
Mary Struggler
Take Back the Night NATLFED attracted many feminists in its early period of organizing. I don't remember any formal alliance with Take Back the Night but it is certainly plausible. Despite attracting feminists, women in NATLFED were subjected to violence. Some of the more strong-willed women were beaten into submission. Others were forced into sexual liaisons because of circumstance
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
dsm
QuoteSo, I dont trust political cults that employ any human being as use and dispose. NatLFed is all about use-and-dispose. An off-topic moment: I want to share a story about a man I knew only as "Grizzly" who had Karposi's. I was hiking the AT at the border between Massachusetts and Vermont one summer in the 1990's. I had a very close encounter with a very big black b
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
corboy
Why I dislike NATLFED. Because, according to YELP some POC recruiters reportedly put one of thier fundraising tables on top of a memorial set up for Del Martin, who was a mighty tower of strength and both medical and activist wisdom during the 1980s 1990s plague years of the AIDS epidemic. QuoteSan Francisco, CA 8/31/2008 I just read in disgust on an e-mail list I belong to that the
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
corboy
QuoteEspecially the supported experts, who in most cases are too busy with their own work and campaigns to pay close attention to NatLFed games. (Groan) That is pretty much how many members of the great and good of the liberal elite in San Francisco supported Jim Jones. Now, thirty one years ago, we had little experience as yet about cults. But one would think that after decades of damag
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
dsm
Thank you Mary. I think it is good to put the jargon out there because people need to be alert to the game the jargon is supporting. I don't feel like opening my old box of material to find all the words NatLFed used as jargon, but they had the differentiation between "members" and "volunteers", between "volunteers" and "cadres", and there was anot
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
dsm
Thank you corboy for helping find links. The older story was in Christian Century magazine and also was retold in the "Public Eye" series, but ironically the left-leaning critics, who could be the most discerning about NatLFed's true fascist colors, seem often to move into aplogetics and trying to make it look like a sadly incompetent instead of successfully dangerous organizat
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
dsm
It is exactly the problem I face, and it gets worse for me as I get older because now it is compounded by the bigotry we face as "agism". In some ways that helps, actually, and I have decided to keep my grey hair because the younger people just don't take an interest, but older people do want to know everyone's life story. I think my anxiety is only half due to cult anxie
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
14 years ago
Mary Struggler
There is one thing that I will admit about the comments in the San Francisco Weekly. True, a couple of the people making comments are NATLFED ex-cadres, regulars who devote some time to speak the truth about NATLFED in various blogging communities. It has also encouraged some "different blood" if you will to step forward and add to the discussion. It hasn't degenerated into the
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
corboy
Had trouble placing an active link for those wanting to read the article. Google 'charitable front' and NATLFED' - 87k QuoteSan Francisco News - Charitable Front - page 1Dec 9, 2009 ... Charitable Front. Mysterious organizations in the Bay Area profess to be advocating for liberal causes. In truth, they appear to be part of ... - 87k - Cached - Similar pages
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
dsm
QuotecorboyI dont know how much of this applies, but long ago, we came up with a term 'strategic rejection'. Am not sure how much this older entry matches up with what you have seen. But that after so very many years people feel afraid to exercise their first amendment rights to discuss an important part of their lives, even with the protection of a computer handle, signals
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
corboy
I dont know how much of this applies, but long ago, we came up with a term 'strategic rejection'. Am not sure how much this older entry matches up with what you have seen. But that after so very many years people feel afraid to exercise their first amendment rights to discuss an important part of their lives, even with the protection of a computer handle, signals that a huge
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
Mary Struggler
The comments on the San Francisco Weekly article are starting to build. The ex-NATLFED community is taking interest but most are burnt out from commenting.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
corboy
The SF Weekly published the article. the comments section is here
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
dsm
Thank you for posting that article. NatLFed does not do violence "as NatLFed", of course. What it does is arrange for violence to happen to people it wants to see silenced. It arranges for people to fail to be credible witnesses, it arranges for the authorities to be reluctant to pursue certain cases. It protects the perpetrators of the crimes. Lewis Lent enjoyed NatLFed protection f
Forum: Terrorist and Extremist Groups
14 years ago
Sparky
Love your story! Here is a story from Cultnews.net (Rick's other site) posted today or yesterday about NatLFed in San Fransicko hiding behind bizarre charities: The article states that while they preach violence they have never been involved in any violent acts. From your story it souds like the reporter may be misled.
Forum: Terrorist and Extremist Groups
14 years ago
dsm
I was once a member of NatLFed. It bothers me to see that oftentimes people want to limit this cult to a certain time-frame, set of members, arenas of activity, etc. NatLFed was, and still is, a kind of meta-cult that specialized in forming fronts that were directly connected to it as well as infiltrating other groups, especially other cults, in order to force compliance with its own goals. Na
Forum: Terrorist and Extremist Groups
14 years ago
dsm
Rickety, I think the biographies of most cult-leaders show that they started out as "one-member cults" because they share the same personality traits of severe narcissism, control freaks, etc. You can count yourself strong for having recognized the problem while it was still "one-member". When I went to a psychologist for help because of cult issues in my family, I did no
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
14 years ago
dsm
Has anyone here encountered cults that succeed in running under the radar of larger churches or alongside them as "para-church ministries"? These are often political or financial cults. Sometimes one denomination's activists are infiltrating another denomination in a kind of warfare, using deception to try to win converts. They are able to get "good press" because
Forum: Destructive Churches
14 years ago
Mary Struggler
Ah, Mao's "Little Red Book." I haven't read that in a number of years. Anyone can take any ideology and adapt it to suit their own purpose. Little minor alterations here or there and voila, you have something else. "Dare to Struggle, Dare to Win" is one of the slogans of the group I belonged to, NATLFED, which openly states it is organizing the unrecognized worke
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
14 years ago
Mary Struggler
If anyone is interested, the San Francisco Weekly is getting ready to do an expose on Physicians' Organizing Committee, an organization that is part of the Provisional Party and tied to National Labor Federation. The reporter's name is Matt Smith. At least three former members that I know of have communicated with the reporter, including my sister.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
Mary Struggler
One thing that I have learned is that many former cadres are reluctant to post to discussion forums anymore. Even my own blog, I have rapport with several persons right now but it is "behind the scenes" as they don't want public comments. They are concerned their comments will be attacked. There are a lot of "venomous" and "toxic" discussions on the web inclu
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
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