QuoteClausDIaShe continued to suggest that it is my fault how I experienced LE . . . . Excellent nugget of truth about how they twist things around. My Lekkie friend often tried to put me in this position whenever I objected to any of her behavior. Sad. Take your time ClausDIa. I know you're not a philosopher -- I'm not expecting that. Just your own thoughts and insights. You do
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I was looking at some movie reviews for a show tonight and ran across the review for What the Bleep-Down the Rabbit Hole, and had a nice chuckle. Thought the rest of you might enjoy: Here's the link to a few reviews (there are four -- two of them offer praise, but even those offer some insights): Here's the one I found refreshingly candid (it also has a link to a review of the or
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QuoteClausDIaSo far, I wrote a few lunatic posts in this forum. Since I am not from an English-speaking country, it is sometimes difficult to express exactly what I have experienced and what I feel about LEK. Actually ClausDIa, I have enjoyed reading your posts, and found them interesting. As you have seen LEC as a participant, I appreciate what you have shared so those of us who haven't go
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QuoteHopeThis week's line up in the New York City area is Robert Kiyosaki AND Wayne Dyer. I haven't seen Carolyn Myss recently. Perhaps they should be PGS (pseudo-guru station) instread of PBS? Same line-up here -- probably nationwide. Over a period of two weeks I think Dyer is on eight times here! Clearly PBS brings these people in during pledge time because they know people wa
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Hi leftcoast, nice to hear from you again. When I first read what your friend wrote, I had to chuckle. That is so LE, it sounds like a script. Probably is, and if not a boilerplate one, surely one that was developed with a coach, as midonov mentioned. Humor is so necessary when dealing with a Lekkie. Let yourself see the humor, even as you scratch your head. You'll need it so stay sa
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annoyed, If you paid by credit card and haven't paid it off yet, then call AND write your credit card company and put the charge in dispute status. Then make sure you DON'T pay that part of the bill. You can then work the issue through them. I've done this on other matters and it works well. If you paid by check and it hasn't been cashed -- stop payment. If you'
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My curiosity got to me -- I had to see the details. Here's a link to the bill: or QuoteThe bill requires an operator of an interactive computer service or an Internet service provider to establish and maintain reasonable procedures to enable any person to request and obtain disclosure of the legal name and address of an information content provider who posts false or defamatory i
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I do find it interesting that this bill is being introduced in NJ. Hmmm. Where is RRI based? Maybe our politician friend here is getting some encouragement from someone we know and love? I hate to be paranoid, but the timing is impossible to simply dismiss. -lightwolf
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Documents on this site about Meyer: I did not know much about Meyer, other than just being skeptical of televangelists, before looking into this thread. Interesting reading. The thing that comes to my mind after reading several of these articles is: if giving is so good, why isn't Meyer giving away the equity in her nice spread, or inviting the homeless to occupy those homes? Appa
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QuoteHopeWORD WIZARDRY (my note - sounds familiar) Meyer, in her new book, writes, “Words are containers for power” (The Name, The Word, The Blood, pg. 37). Word-Faith teachers advocate that through speaking and positive affirmations we can create our own reality. They usually refer to Genesis 1 and show that God spoke the world into existence and extrapolate that we, too, can speak creative w
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QuoteskepticHey, you ARE transformed in an lgat, just not how you THINK! Then again, after an lgat it's damn hard to think straight, muchless at all. You are relieved of the trouble of thinking for yourself, as you are given all the answers (to questions you might never have asked) in simple, pat slogans, and that is your blueprint for living. Nevermind that it doesn't work. What a
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QuoteorangeperuviscachaMe, "So what's this thing all about?" Lekkie, "I am having great experiences, and that's all that matters! (gush!)" Me, "Is that a fact?!" Lekkie: "No! Don't you Get It, it's my experience. I have my experience and you have yours. (hypnotic I'm-enlightened-and-you're-not grin) :roll: " I've
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Quotelooking for helpMore unbelieveable is that many involved in this group do not know how the Forum originated or when confronted with facts dismiss them. This was one of the hardest things for me to grasp -- they just don't care about how it originated or any facts about it's abuses. To use their lingo, they make it mean what they want to. For all their talk of "filters",
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QuotenutrinoIF their technology is all that they say it is, why HASN'T it been universally accepted as the great breakthrough that they said it is ? 1. We just don't understand 2. We're trapped in our objective discourse rackets 3. We haven't experienced it for ourselves 4. It's "outside the box" for us (I love this one) 5. We're afraid (the domin
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Thanks WA, I so appreciate the insight from those of you, like skeptic and others, that have been on the inside and can share what your experiences have been and the impacts upon you. The great thing about this board is that those such as yourself, by sharing your experience, allow the rest of us to have the knowledge from it without having to go through it ourselves. That is a invaluable gi
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leftcoast, You have my heartfelt empathies. QuotetywebbWOW..it's really frightening to see that you were told almost verbatim the same thing that I heard from my fiancee. I couldn't have said this better. It is frightening. I have heard and still am hearing the same #&%$, especially "I never seem to be able to feel heard." B.S. I'm sure you have hear
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Quotekkbird7Look at what kind of fruit is growing on the tree. I think you have to do more than this. I don't know this church -- after all I'm on a different continent! But I would still say you do have to look at the fruit, AND you have to look at the roots. Check the geneology. This is what Concerned Oz is doing. Desireable fruit can be counterfeited or deceptive. But I think i
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Quotemidonov123The critic of Dr. Singer on "whyaretheydead" is signed by Mark Pope Member, Church of Scientology !!! Is it biased??? Yes, when I saw Scientology, I concluded the same, plus my wariness of wikipedia. Even the url name "whyaretheydead" casts doubt on their objectivity. I was looking for info beyond what is on culteducation.com, such as that you provided, that
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I saw this on wikipedia's entry for Landmark, and it is the first I heard of Dr. Singer's work being put this negatively: Quote. . . Singer's credentials have been discredited by her own profession: The American Psychological Association found her work to lack scientific merit. Several courts have forbidden Singer to testify as an "expert witness" because, as one court s
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Good link Mike, I found this part elucidating: QuoteYet it is inherently safe, despite its power, because it is based on the application of a completely holistic level of Natural Law. It's interesting to see the links between different aspects of the New Age philosophy. The quote above is heard in different ways in alternative or holistic medicine. This is what will save us from the de
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QuoteanniebeeI'm curious as to why certain religious groups or religious affiliated groups haven't investigated Landmark In a perfect world anniebee, they would. But I think they are asleep at the wheel in large part. People get involved, start acting different, and no one asks why, or just says "good for you" in the spirit of "I'm OK you're OK." Despite
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QuoteskepticThis speaks to the IMpossibility . . . That's a great way to say it skeptic! It's absolutely true. -lightwolf
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Quotelooking for helpHowever the LE Philosophy is totally contradictory to Christianity. It is more about New Age Mysticism. I could not agree more. What you say affirms what I have seen and have done. She's in way deep. I have shown her the contradictions. She just doesn't want to hear. She sees them as totally compatible, if not complimentary. The New Age Mysticism looks soooo
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Quotejoe6This is one of the many bad effects EST/LE has had on people, which goes to my question on how to talk to my friend who has been involved since the Werner days. He thinks of himself as an ethical "good person". So how does someone who's been involved for so long ever come around to seeing Landmark for what it really is, because you would have to think about all the peopl
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Quoteorangeperuviscachawould i be correct to find christians participating in these seminars? Yes. Abosolutely yes. There are a lot of Christiams, and those of other faiths there. I think the appeal is mysticism / esotericism. These elements are present to some degree in Christianity, and they are certainly present in LGAT philosophy. I saw my ex-gf get caught up in that, and ignore the inco
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QuoteelenaThere are writings about this that suggest it is far easier to maintain a defense of one's ego and one's mind against overt, brutal, dictatorial coercion that it is against the more subtle Landmarkian variety. I'm thinking of Singer and Ofshe's "Peripheral versus Central Elements of Self." Thanks Ellen for the title. I appreciate you sharing the readings
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Quotejames777 It is not the ideas that are problem with landmark and Scientology is how they're using them to exploit. Being a good skeptic is also laying claim that may be Scientology and landmark are capitalizing certain needs that exist in our culture. We shouldn't just throw out the baby with the bath water just because some fringe groups decide to capitalize on certain ideas that
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Quoteleftcoast8"Yeah, Landmark is a crazy room-cleaning cult." LOL! :lol: My friend is always "decluttering" too. Must be an extention of how they exercise control using the seminar room setup. Check the link on that: Quoteleftcoast8"You have your idea, and you're entitled to it Yep -- "You have your experience, I have mine." That's
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Quotefleurit is very moving There's one of the hooks fleur. It is moving -- and who can resist the temptation to get swept away in the movement? It is very enticing. But I think it is a distraction to keep you from watching as the other hand manipulates. You're aware enough that part of your mind has caught the behind-the-curtain movements, as expressed by the domination, lack o
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Quoteleftcoast8I see someone who's completely brainwashed, and used a new type of language that makes no sense to me, or to anyone else. leftcoast, You see clearly. Here are some links that might interest you: Your insight touches on one of the points that kills relationships with someone in an LGAT. Their language makes no sense to us, and I think ours makes no sense to them.
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