I read the same article a while ago, and I think it is one of the better ones about Landmark here. Besides the quotes you citied Dynamix, I had found these to be particularly interesting: QuoteMy perception was a mind set and lifestyle that does not take relationships seriously and does not make commitments to others because it limits the individual. You just get from the relationship what you
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Quotemidonov123And can anyone please try to explain to me why so many businesses fall for this type of New Age coaching? Is it just that they are being deceived and manipulated (as suggested by Dr. Singer), or do you think there is a real interest in the pseudo-science and other nonsense these gurus are promoting? I don't know about this one in particular, Mike. But I'll take a stab
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What group, Ivy? -lightwolf
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All of this just shows that this isn't about enlightenment or elevating yourself or reaching a new level of consciousness. It's about control and power. The results are humanly depreciating. -lightwolf
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QuoteelenaI might be tempted, if I weren't too emotionally involved, to look upon the situation as an opportunity to sew some deprogramming seeds by letting her know there is criticism and what they call "controversy" going back thirty years. I might couch it in the "what you don't know you don't know" thingy. I did this with my Lekkie friend. Used the "w
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This exercise reminds me of training my dogs. I have a behavior that I want to reinforce, and I have to repeat the instruction over and over until they "get" the link between their behavior and my command or signal. They only get rewarded when they do what I want them to do (regardless of what they want to do). Of course, the goal is get them to want to do what I want them to do.
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Don't count on it. Someone proud enough of it to list it on their resume is someone who believes in it's transforming power, and can't help but use it. She'll be "creating" clients for other therapists in later years.
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QuoteautomaticftpThat said, we're going to meet Sunday to talk about it. If she is dead set on only being with someone who will participate in Landmark, that is not me and we'll part company at least on a romantic level. While I like her quite a bit, I have two problems with such an ultimatum. First, I don't do well with ultimatums in general. They represent to me an all too ob
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Quotemidonov123. . . what can be done to prevent it from happening without looking like an anticult activist (in which case it can backlash ... and this is exactly what Landmark leaders want)? Landmark builds it's strength on confrontational, ambiguous and dissonant situations. If some people in the workplace initiate a debate about the cultish nature of Landmark activities, does it
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leftocast, Only you can decide this, and I think you're doing a good job trying to figure it out. I'm not one to flippantly encourage someone to cut ties, but I just wonder, if you're tired of it, and stressed, and she isn't that important to you, why add to your stress? You have to take care of yourself first. I highly doubt there is anything tangible she wants fro
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Hi leftcoast, It's hard for the cat to leave the mouse alone, itsn't it? I'm sure you see that you're sort of playing with her here by continuing to challenge her messages to you. But, I understand, I've done it too. Sort of like the train wreck comment you made before. If it really bugs you, you can make this stop -- anytime you choose to. Quoteleftcoast8Quote
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QuoteEther DragonIt's frustrating to type out a message or reply, hit the submit button, and instead of seeing your message posted you're taken to the log in screen - your message totally erased. I found this, and it works (read the italics) -lightwolf
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QuoteHopeOh boy - I was just trying to recall the name of that website - neurotic . com, LOL! :lol: See what I mean! I'm not the only one. Thanks Hope! -lightwolf
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QuoteskepticPost-cult, I'm completely baffled about how to believe and what to believe. In addition to questioning and discarding the cult beliefs, I am doing the same with ALL my beliefs. As a consequence, I feel shaken to my core and without a foundation on which to stand and from which to operate. I think I need some kind of belief system but my bind is that I don't know how t
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Hi patrick-darcy, Although I appreciate your viewpoint, can you provide some details or links to support what you are saying? :arrow: one of the news programs (which one) :arrow: some guy (who) :arrow: a book (what title) :arrow: i think said (did he or didn't he say what) :arrow: everywhere (where exactly, and really, everywhere?) :?: :?: :?: Also, the &quo
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Mike, A few weeks ago I stumbled across a very interesting organization. Interesting in how it is consumed with the global consciousness movement, particularly healing (not interesting in that I buy any of this stuff though). "What the Bleep" is featured prominently, in fact they have a study guide that has all sorts of the familiar lingo in it. Their message boards aren't th
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The other contradiction I have observed concernes the "Socratic inquiry." I hear Landmark say their training is just Socratic inquiry, asking questions to "challenge our norms," etc., etc. We've heard the show. Now I'll bet the house that their version of Socratic inquiry is a poor version of the true technique, but have you ever tried to "inquire" their
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Hi Mike, Good topic. There is precedent. A Landmark advanced grad who is also a nurse is actively pursuing bringing a heavy dose of the complimentary and alternative medicine movement into a local rehab center for disabled individuals where she works. I see that the ideologies of LGATS, including Landmark, line up well with the ideologies of CAM. I don't have time to expand on this no
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Note to those who haven't read the first pages of this thread in a while: RU?ing's posts on the MKP document have been summarized by the moderator. The summaries are still pretty good.
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Taking off from what leftcoast started this thread with, a superficially humble and contrite letter "taking responsibility," and tracing it to the last few posts and my own experience with my Lekkie friend, I find that one of the "transformations" that must occur in the ILP or SELP program is that the enlightenment hungry souls learn the company racket: "it's not ab
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Quoteleftcoast8I just want to do something to make the bs stop already! I'm sure you know, leftcoast, that you can't make her stop the BS. She's clearly been converted, and as my friend said to me, "this is the way I communicate now." She may not know how to speak English anymore. All you can do to make it stop is remove yourself from the discourse. Only you can decid
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Quotesonnie_deeWhat is scary is that alot of people become heavily involved with LGATs and train as leaders and then go on to make money from being coaches. Generally the only training they have is through the LGAT. Recently I found a couple of sites here in New Zealand for people who I know were introduction/seminar leaders for landmark and now they are touting themselves as life coache
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Hi leftcoast, Severe eye-rolling is probably the most appropriate response! I chuckle at the absurdity of the communication, but it also wants to make me heave. I've heard this same language too. There must be some secret writing course they have, Writing Fluff For Lekkies or something, where they learn to write in their scripts. Can you imagine a world where we all talked like that?
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Quoteleftcoast8Quotesonnie_deeIts just landmark gobledygook literally. She would have "created" a "possiblity" from her inauthenticity and by sharing that with you she gets to feel better. Interestingly enough, often what people share at this point hurts the other person more then if they had just kept their mouth shut! That was exactly the point I was trying to make when
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QuoteelenaWhat gets me, and I absolutely cannot understand this, is how many people actually worshipped this idiot. What "god" would visit earth in an ugly, over-weight, puffy-faced, chain-smoking body full of problems and diseases and disabilities. Ellen LOL Ellen! Thank you for the laugh of the day! :lol: -lightwolf
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I would add that the LGATs never really suggest that the problem could be your behavior. Maybe in real reality you are making some bad choices that, as a natural consequence, "mess your life up" and "make it not work." Of course, the response to this would be to look at your behavior, learn from it, and make better choices next time. But why bother with that when, instead,
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QuoteThe AnticultThis is very true. Often this is taken from the old testament, "I am that I am", and also the New Testament..I Am the _____. This is exactly the connection I had made when I heard this before, and again here. I was looking to see if others had seen the same thing. I AM god" is short extension from "I create my own reality." Yes, I did notice the attr
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In the slideshow pictures, I noticed a lot of posters/tear sheets on the wall with "I AM" and some word or phases, probably some empowerment language (I couldn't make many of them out besides the I AM part). I have heard from some people that in groups like this, they eventually distill this down to the point where people are taught to see themselves as "I AM." For thos
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QuoteDeborahHe was 1.5 hours late and this wasn't the first time. He has told me that PSI is very big about keeping commitments. It is my experience that they are only concerned about his commitments to them. They don't care that he is constantly late to meet me when he is with them. Deborah, I sure hear you there. My Lekkie friend did the same thing. I think it is trickle dow
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QuoteRU?ing A vision is always ahead of its time and usually unpopular, because mankind resists and fears change. That fear can make it dangerous to be a visionary. The New Warrior lives on the cutting edge facing that fear, in order to manifest his vision into our universe. Who I am in relation to you is my decision. If my personal mission transcends the old dominating way of being, it will,
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