I don't know the full context in which the remarks were made about the wolf. Nor have I come to the conclusion that Mike is the wolf among the lambs. However, If you take time to read through the RLC threads on this forum you may very well come to the conclusion that Tony is a wolf. This is the very same Tony whom Mike has entered into a Spiritual Parenting relationship with; it is the
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What happens when it is the pastor who invites the wolf into the flock and asks the flock to eat the wolf's food?
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Quotenooneofanyimportencelearning point I woke up thinking about the same thing this morning, and what came to mind is how some cops (some not all) disregard the laws of the road they speed they go through lights I believe the think that since they inforce the law they are the law and are above the law, I think some pastors think that too as a matter of fact Cyndi once stated(I say once becas
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I noticed on the TPC website elder page that the photos of Jeff and Kim Barnes have been removed. Perhaps new photos are coming. On a different note...I was noticing discussion about New Apostolic Reformation headed by Peter Wagner. Is TPC aligned with this group? And can anyone confirm that it is basically set up like a good ol Amway structure where churches in the "Downline" pay
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QuotewhatajokeTPR.....I agree in part but believe that we need to be careful in what we call innuendo. If you are referencing the comment made that "somebody said they saw them at a counseling center" then if somebody did say that I don't think there is anything wrong with exploring that to see if it is true. They did not say they were at a counseling center. Some of these issue
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Recently I have noticed innuendo related to the reasons behind Pastor Mike's sabbatical in postings on this thread. I do not believe innuendo serves any good purpose for this forum and only leads to questions about the integrity of those who post such things. My personal belief is that this forum is best served by facts and accounts of first hand experience. If there are those
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QuoteM&MYesterday was Pastors Mike and Cyndi's return from Sabbatical. In many ways it was a let down no matter what your view of the church. Pastor Jeff Barnes had called upon the church to come with running shoes on to indicate they were ready to run wherever Mike and Cyndi said they should go. The worship team was all dressed up in workout regalia. But Pastor Mike delivered a basi
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QuotewhatajokeExcuse my language but sounds like the same sort of crap that would be done at Radiant Life. Show up with running shoes on and warmup suits to see where the False Apostle was taking us now. You guys might as well be at an Amway convention. Perhaps this was meant for a different thread...The Turning Point Thread?
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M & M, I have a serious question about the reverse application of this "doctrine". First, I see nothing in the text that mentions anything about "giving". I see the word "receiving" but not "giving". Receiving might be in regards to "receiving" the prophet's words or could be applied to welcoming the prophet when he comes. In the f
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QuoterrmoderatorForgiveness_101: You seem to be attempting to stifle criticism and comment here through your observations about "gossiping." Please avoid any more pronouncements on this topic. The topic here is RLC, its leaders and behavior, not labeling "gossips." Actually with all due respect, the topic here is Turning Point Church World Outreach Center.
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The following was posted recently on the RLC thread. I think it is informative and relevant to the discussion here, as well. I encourage you to take the time to read the article which can be found by clicking on the washington post link. You comments as to how this relates to TPC are welcomed. Quote: Worship_Big Lest we be deceived that the Hired hand and his band of merry 'yes'
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Where from Here, Welcome to the forum. Thank you for taking time to post. You ask valid questions. Ask your elders these questions. Their response will be telling in terms of how open and transparent they wish to be. They should be able to show where these funds have gone and how they have been used. If TPC is authoritarian and following some of the same practices of RLC then you sho
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I have seen these videos. I think the maker is enjoying making fun of TP in order to promote his own cause of atheism. I would guess the makers view of TP is a minority view. No doubt there are many in your community who have a positive view of TP. I have yet to see anyone on this forum call Turning Point Church World Outreach Center a cult. Some have expressed concerns about the teaching
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I am wondering if anyone from Turning Point and or SOMA Northwest is familiar with, as a result of teachings in either of these settings, the concept of Honoring Elders/Pastors/Apostles? If so would you care to describe this concept, as it is taught, to those of us on the forum. If you are uncertain about posting your comments here in the main forum please feel free to send them to me via
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QuoteLearningPointI could be wrong about this, but I believe Mike and Tony HAVE cut ties with one another on some level if not completely. (Does anyone still in touch at TP know whether this is the case or not?) The problem is that Mike is now capable of his very own version of this model he's been exposed to--a morphed but essentially the same ego-driven, "Master and Commander"
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This may be accurate. So the next question is who now serves as Mike's primary mentor? Who's teaching does he sit under? Knowing who teaches the teacher will give you much insight. Scripture is clear that you become like the teacher who teaches you or the master who commands you. I wonder who currently influences Mike's thinking and understanding of scripture, God, and chu
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QuoteNorthwest I was wondering what M&M or anyone else thought was the motivation behind the change of tithing methods. Do you think the staff and pastors are just looking for more ways to get people to give, are they deceived or are they following what God told them? Although I disagree with the new way the present tithing the bigger issue to me is how they came to the d
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So giving can only be done appropriately at worship time. Other wise its not true worship. Hmmm seems like Jesus spoke about what True Worship is all about ... So what about work...isnt work supposed to be an act of worship? Should we insist that people perform their work on the alter at the front of the church so they can do it "most appropriately in the context of worship"?
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So if you give your offering at the boxes at the back of the church ( I remember when we placed our offering in the plastic bins on the way out of the school) you are somehow not worshiping with the same intensity and fervor as those who come forward and place their offering on the alter at the front of the church? Hmmmmm Seems like Jesus spoke to his disciples about giving. Didn't he a
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What I found odd is that on every single web page at this site ( www.turningpointchurch.org ) you will find a picture of Mike. On EVERY single page. The one with the rainbow in the background is quite moving. I dont see that on too many other church web sites. The subliminal or overt message could not be clearer. Or maybe this is just a fluke some might think. Or did Pastor Mike insist hi
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I was perusing around several church websites from around the country-some well known churches, some from churches that friends attend, others from churches I have been affiliated with-and something odd stood out. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed anything "odd" about the Turning Point Church World Outreach website appearance or even their youtube videos. Check it out and comp
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QuoteLearningPointInstallment 1: Things I’ve Learned from My Experience at Turning Point Concern #1: What’s the Focus? First things first. I think the true focal point at Turning Point (at least at the time of my departure) had gotten significantly off base. ... Not that people cannot be examples and encouragers to us in our faith, but they must NEVER become to us our lords, “master
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LearningPoint, Welcome to the forum. Thank you for taking time to formulate your thoughts and questions. You ask some thought provoking questions. I do hope that those who read will honestly consider and seek out answers. TPR
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Mentors beget mentorees; teachers beget students; the student becomes like the teacher. Who is your teacher? Who has mentored the one who teaches you? Show me who your mentor is and I will know who you are. Jesus said, in Matthew, 24"A student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. I
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Mentors beget mentorees; teachers beget students; the student becomes like the teacher. Who is your teacher? Who has mentored the one who teaches you? Show me who your mentor is and I will know who you are. Jesus said, in Matthew, 24"A student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. I
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Mentors beget mentories; teachers beget students; the student becomes like the teacher. Who is your teacher? Who has mentored the one who teaches you? Show me who your mentor is and I will know who you are. Jesus said, in Matthew, 24"A student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his mast
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Thanks for posting again, Forgiveness. I viewed the video and my impression is Cyndi just feels self conscience on film. I didnt really see it in the same light as my friend BraveHeart. Now I must take you to task but I do it out of love: You referred to Mike and Cyndi as being "loosely" connected with Tony. Do you truly believe that is an accurate representation of their rela
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Thanks for the remarks, whatajoke. I appreciate you and your contributions as well. See this link for more discussion on pastoral sabbatical: Keep the faith, TPR
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