hi whatajoke, Sabbatical is common practice among many churches- though not all. Typically sabbatical takes place only after a pastor has served 7 to 10 years at the local church. Sabbatical comes from the same word we get sabbath from and literally means time of rest and renewal. It is not out of the ordinary that mike would be granted a sabbatical by his church after serving there for 12 y
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Forgiveness, I am curious. Why is there very little or no relationship with Tony? And do you know at what point this relationship ceased to exist?
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Braveheart, Wasn't the original email correspondence you had with Jeff and/ or Kim Barnes? Please correct me if I am mistaken. Thank you TPR QuoteBraveHeartQuoteForgiveness_101He ~T~ I would just like to take the time to say that i have been attending TP which is where Pastor Mike is pastoring and is teaching SOMA. Where once our church was heavily influenced by Pastor Tony
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Northwest, I am glad you are searching for Truth. I found some things that pertain to your questions that clearly get to the root better than I was able to. See below: QuoteNorthwestHere are a few comments or questions I have either personally made or had friends tell me them regarding turingpoint and its teaching. I would love for people to post there comments on what they think on this for
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was once heavily influenced? Turning Point has always been influenced from the very beginning by Tony. Has Mike stood up publicly and renounced all of Tony's teachings and influence? Has Mike renounced Tony as his Spiritual Father and repented of this idolatry? If so this is great news. What date this this public renunciation take place? Please...let us all know. This would be great n
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Thanks Northwest for your post. These are all good questions. I appreciate you taking time to post here. I will respond to each of you points in RED. QuoteNorthwestHere are a few comments or questions I have either personally made or had friends tell me them regarding turingpoint and its teaching. I would love for people to post there comments on what they think on this forum. “I still f
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Several questions come to mind regarding Spiritual Parenting: 1. If God is our Spiritual Father and we replace him with another "spiritual father" have we blasphemed God? 2. What would motivate a pastor to teach something like "spiritual parenting" ? 3. Why teach it in exclusive settings? 4. What does it say about a pastor who is willing to teach something that is quest
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Conclusions 1. God has chosen to be glorified through undeniable healings of some, and to be glorified by taking others through their sickness and hurt. All of this is rooted in the Sovereignty of God—He is Lord over all! 2. When faced with difficult circumstances or illness, our part is to -Pray to be delivered, healed, whatever. -Do all that we can to solve the situation. -Trust God in the
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Regarding Healing: Why does God heal some and not others? Your former pastor lays the burden on the shoulders of the people by saying it is their failure due to sin, lack of faith, ignorance etc. This ignores what the Bible as a whole teaches us in regards to healing. Healing is God's domain. It is God's choice to heal or not to heal. In scripture we see those who are healed and i
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Thank you M&M for sharing. You have a compassion for your former church that is evident to all who read these posts. I am sorry for the hurt and lack of respect and compassion you received as you sought to ask legitimate questions of the leaders in your former church. Culture change at churches happen for a reason. When the emphasis changes from the condition of the heart to the extern
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Why settle for a significant apostle when you could have a Super Apostle! Go here today to find out if your apostle is more than ordinary:
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Is your Apostle a Super Apostle? Go here and take this simple test. Why settle for an average apostle when you could sit under the covering of a Super Apostle!
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This from christian-faith . com True And False Apostles Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother. (1:1) Paul is writing with tremendous spiritual authority. He is writing as an 'apostle', literally, 'a sent one' of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ actually sent Paul out by divine revelation. Paul has learned to know the voice of the Lord
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see above
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This from christian-faith . com True And False Apostles Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother. (1:1) Paul is writing with tremendous spiritual authority. He is writing as an 'apostle', literally, 'a sent one' of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ actually sent Paul out by divine revelation. Paul has learned to know the voice of the Lord,
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Thank you Godisfaithful. You post is most welcomed. If we take truth and mix in 10% of untruth we end up with...untruth. If I understood you correctly you are agreeing with M&Ms conclusion that over a period of time Turning Point has become authoritarian? And that Apostle Mike has positioned himself not as an authoritarian leader? I do not wish to attribute words to you so I am
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I found this snippet in a paper entitled "Authoritarian Church Leadership and the Individual Freedom of Church Members". The entire article can be found at the following web site: 7.9 Diotrephes The Dictator: An Example To Avoid “I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what
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Thank you M&M for a balanced perspective based on experience. Please, if you care to, share why you decided to leave.
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Another thoughtful article on Five Fold Ministry can be found here: TPR
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Five Fold Ministry SOMA teaches about the Five Fold Ministry. And there have been references to Tony and Mike being apostles. No doubt there are prophets and prophetess' serving their churches too. Below is a perspective of five fold ministry that probably isnt taught in SOMA. There will be those who read this and dismiss it as being penned by someone "not mature enough to unders
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See the attached for more on Spiritual Covering. By Steve Hill at Harvest-Now.org “SPIRITUAL COVERING” BIBLE DOCTRINE OR ROMAN/PAGAN DOGMA? INTRODUCTION: Sometimes the line between right and wrong in doctrine and practice does not run through the words or even the practice but through the hearts of those involved. People may blame leaders and leaders may blame people. However, foolishnes
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See the attached for more on Spiritual Covering. By Steve Hill at Harvest-Now.org “SPIRITUAL COVERING” BIBLE DOCTRINE OR ROMAN/PAGAN DOGMA? INTRODUCTION: Sometimes the line between right and wrong in doctrine and practice does not run through the words or even the practice but through the hearts of those involved. People may blame leaders and leaders may blame people. However, foolishnes
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More in Covenant Relationships: The Curse of Unauthorized Covenants By Steven Lambert, ThD 7/7/04 One of the last books Derek Prince authored prior to his recent death was Blessings and Curses (Revised version, 2003; Chosen Books, Grand Rapids Michigan). It has been well-documented how that in the 1970s Prince had been one of the originators of what became known as the Discipleship or S
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More on "Covenant Relationship": The Curse of Unauthorized Covenants By Steven Lambert, ThD 7/7/04 One of the last books Derek Prince authored prior to his recent death was Blessings and Curses (Revised version, 2003; Chosen Books, Grand Rapids Michigan). It has been well-documented how that in the 1970s Prince had been one of the originators of what became known as the Discip
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Friends at TPCWOC have you heard of the teachings called "Covenant Relationships"? Have you practiced these teachings? Are you yourself in a "covenant relationship"? Then you will want to hear how these teachings have been twisted and perverted. Please read the article at this website:
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Have you given yourself to the teaching of Covenant Relationship? If so you may want to see how this teaching has been twisted and perverted. See the article at this website:
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For more on "Spiritual Covering" please see the following website:
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Covering Theology has been mentioned in this thread. It appears based on comments in the SOMANW promo video the "Covering" is being taught in some form and setting at TPCWOC. If you have sat under the teaching of covering, if you consider yourself to be "under the covering" of your Apostle/Pastor then I ask you to consider the following comments. Are you fearful of thinkin
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Covering Theology has been mentioned in this thread. It appears based on comments in the SOMANW promo video the "Covering" is being taught in some form and setting at TPCWOC. If you have sat under the teaching of covering I ask you to consider the following comments. The "Covering" Heresy Steve Wetzel MTTU News 7/1/2008 If you are reading this article, you sho
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These bare repeating on this thread. Again these are helpful when evaluating the comments of those on this forum as well as evaluating your own experiences in your local church setting. How many of these feel familiar to you? ABERRATIONS IN AN ABUSIVE CHURCH The following are some examples of what may take place IN ANY CHURCH where spiritual abuse and unbiblical authoritarianism may be p
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