Amen Happy! I quit going in 1977-78, I had to leave home to stop it. Actually I'd be very interested in what doctrines Thieme recanted on. One of the ways cops know when someone is lying when they interrogate supsects, is that the suspects story keeps changing. Truthtesty
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To Ephesians: How's your vacation? Ephesians said: One additional thing I need to add...Dr. Wall's thesis was written in the late '70's. Thieme has revised and changed so many doctrines in the 20 years since then, as to make several portions of his thesis moot. As an example, you mentioned Thieme's teachings of love..as of 2000 Thieme had come to teach that the love
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To Ephesians: Ephesians said: Before this era, people really did have to trust what the authorities told them. It was just too cumbersome for the average person with a family and full time job to go into heavy scholarly research on any given topic...so many people tended to just take what they were given. Truthtesty says: There were many excellent choices other than Thieme even prior to th
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To Ephesians: Truthtesty says: I don't see your point still standing. I see this change (as I said before) as a dusting off a few words. You see this as a major 4th of July fireworks display. I guess if Thieme taught for another 30 some odd years and then revised his rhetoric to "uh well now JUSTICE AND ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS ARE GOD'S LOVE", then I you'd think that's
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To Ephesians: Ephesians said: Thieme did not begin teaching that "the love of God is His integrity" until the year 2000. Up until then, the attributes of justice and righteousness, along with His love were taught as composites of His integrity. Ephesians said: So I have presented an argument, the initial teaching and the revision..you said this revision didn't happen so the
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Ephesians said: As to the rest of your post (ad hominem attacks against me and/or Thieme aside)...I never said Wall's dissertation was straw-man, I said that asserting the idea that Wall's doctoral status assigns him an authority in which he pulls rank over Thieme and in turn his ideas are superior is straw-man...I never said the concept of debating is not profitable, just that to deman
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Ephesians said: "Thieme has revised and changed so many doctrines in the 20 years since then, as to make several portions of his thesis moot." Truthtesty says: None of Dr. Wall's dissertation has been rendered moot because Thieme has new false teachings. A bankrobber never tells you he robbed the bank, you have to prove it. Dr Wall did prove Thieme heretical, therefore Thieme&#
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To Ephesians: Ephesians said: In some cases there are arguments going on over views that Thieme no longer holds, or has revised. Truthtesty says: Show me the arguments going on over the views that Thieme no longer holds. Show me why he changed the views and the corresponding date. Also, did Thieme offer any sort of an apology for being wrong and misleading Thiemites in Thieme world? (2 arg
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To Ephesians: How was your vacation? I remember Thieme saying God's love is his integirty back in 1976. But just take your argument for a moment, it's just like I said. "I am sure Thieme has dusted off a few words here and there, but there are no major changes." If you want major change Ephesians Thieme would have had to change his cultic doctrine of right pastor.
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Ephesians said: "One additional thing I need to add...Dr. Wall's thesis was written in the late '70's. Thieme has revised and changed so many doctrines in the 20 years since then, as to make several portions of his thesis moot. As an example, you mentioned Thieme's teachings of love..as of 2000 Thieme had come to teach that the love of God IS his integrity; they are synon
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John Doe said: You are fighthting the wrong group is he not a Christian ??? "If you break one of these least commandmants and teach men so, he will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven." Just because he is "Cult Like" does not mean he is non christian you better be carefull Challange the JWS now What you all say about me because I do not believe Christ is "
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TO EPHESIANS YOU SAID YOU THINK THIEME "CARES" AND YOU THINK HE'S THE BEST? I ASSURE YOU THIEME IS NOT THE BEST, BUT SOME PEOPLE IN MASTER/SLAVE RELATIONSHIPS GET A FEELING OF INTIMACY FROM THIEME'S ABUSIVE STYLE. SOME PEOPLE NEED VIOLENCE TO FEEL INTIMATE. I THINK YOU ARE IN LOVE WITH THIEME AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I SAY OR ANYONE ELSE SAYS. Ephesians: Again, t
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Ephesians, It would be helpful IF DOCTORS OF THEOLOGY around the world agreed with Thieme (in koine greek) but they don't. Dr. Wall, Dr Waite, Dr. Custer, Dr. Zodhiates etc... Ayrrh there's the rub if someome must only listen to someone who can translate KOINE greek to learn, what happens if the Doctors of Theology(who translate KOINE greek) disagree? What happens then? Do you j
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Ephesians 1. Thieme/ Berachah is/was not involved in any way with what is commonly referred to as Dominion Theology. This is the theology that Christians must get involved with the political process to the extent that they are attempting to change the legislative landscape to prepare for "God's government" sort of conditions. Any one who implies that Thieme supports this theolog
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SpiritualLiberty, Would you describe getting over legalistically rebounding? Also, I am not familiar with the winner and loser so-called doctrines (sounds like the lotto), it must have been taught after I was no longer forced to go. Also, what books have you published? I would be interested in reading them. Truthtesty
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Thieme belittles and minimizes anyone else trying to translate and learn the word for themselves. Not just the individual christian of modern day, but Thieme attacks the authority of the Christian teachers and leaders for over 2000 years: the Roman Catholics authority, the Protestant King James version authority, the Christian non-denominational authority of Dallas Theological Seminary, and other
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TO SISTERSOAP" I AM A NEW NEW MEMEBR AND I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SEND PRIVATE MESSAGES, BUT SISTERSOAP SAID "There is lots of talk about "GRACE" but the practice is very legalistic and there is no explanation of or dealing with the FLESH in daily life. " I WAS WONDERING IF SHE WOULD CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT DEALING WITH THE FLESH TESTY
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BERACHAH CHURCH IS A CULT AND RB THIEME JR IS THE CULT LEADER. THIEME USED PROPAGANDA AND CULTIC TECHNIQUES. THIEME IS/WAS TRAINING A MILITANT NEORIGHTWING POLITICAL ARMY. THIEME IS NOT EQUIPING CHRISTIANS TO BE INDEPENDENT IN THIER RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. THIEME TRIED TO CREATE AN UNHEALTHY DEPENDENT"CLASS SYTEM" WITHIN CHRISTIANITY UNDER THIEME'S TOTAL CONTROL, NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT
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