To Forum: I don't recall Thieme saying "Don't force your young adults to come to Berachah, either" Truthtesty
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To the Forum: genez quote:Quote "The word translated "strait" could be translated as 'strict." Strait coul also be translated 1 archaic : STRICT, RIGOROUS 2 archaic a : NARROW b : limited in space or time c : closely fitting : CONSTRICTED, TIGHT 3 a : causing distress : DIFFICULT b : limited as to means or resources Truthtesty
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To the Forum: Forum quote QuoteAnother theme of both your comments had to do with the topic of whether you can read Bible on your own -- HenryL, maintaining that Thieme imposed a cult-like popish stance, and GeneZ, that Thieme's teaching enables you to READ BIBLE FOR YOURSELF as you mature. Thieme contributed DIRECTLY to Thiemites lack of confidence in studying the bible for themselves
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To the Forum: Where's all the written Thieme documentation on the internet? Truthtesty
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To the forum: genez quote: QuoteThere is no charge for any material from R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries. Anyone who desires Bible teaching can receive our books and recordings without obligation. God provides Bible doctrine. We wish to reflect His grace. R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries is a grace ministry and operates entirely on voluntary contributions. There is no price list for
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Genez, 1st of all those posts were posted to a different forum. I was speaking to people that I thought were extremist cultic christians. Genez quote QuoteFolks? Who can see what this persons thinks like? And? He is one to tell us which Christian leader is no good??? I can tell you what a cult is and my relationship with God does not include you. You love your beloved Saul/Paul who us
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To the Forum: What was that excuse Thieme gave for no longer allowing questions during "class"? Truthtesty
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To the Forum: One of the best descriptions that I have seen for Thieme using hypnosis comes from a write-in to Dennis' website on page 15. "... 4. In looking at the Cult from a psychological perspective, let me share what I have learned from my clients as well as other professionals who have treated Berachah people. I believe that the reason cults/thought reform is so effective i
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HenryL, Welcome to the forum and the debate. ex-Thiemites have much information to share. Ex-Thiemites have not really had a unified forum in which to speak to each other, before the internet. Like all cults, Thiemites turn on ex-Thiemites, like savage beasts. Thieme's cult certainly meets most of the critieria that rrmoderator posted on cults. rrmoderator quote QuoteAbsolute authorita
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To brain out: brainout quote QuotePlease, will you and Testy stop treating Thieme as if he WROTE the Bible, rather than merely quoting it? When did I ever say Thieme wrote the bible? How did I ever in the slightest way treat Thieme as if wrote the bible? This is just a lie. Truthtesty
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Ephesian quote QuoteRegarding the pastor-teacher issue, I have already posted the link to brainout's quite excellent and extremely lengthy discussion of this, but those in this forum want a "show me the verse" type proof. NO DOUBLE-TALK! SHOW ME THE VERSE OR VERSES. YOU CAN'T. Your so proud of your EXEGESIS and holier than thou art intelligence. Cut the 1/2 stepping and pro
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brainout quoteQuoteBut of course, he must be wrong, for YOU didn't learn anything! LOLOL! This is just a cold callous statement. It shows your true nature. Truthtesty
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Forum post QuoteIf you have recourse to Thayer's or Bauer Danker lexicons -- two of the most respected Greek lexicons in the field among pastors worldwide -- you can look up "haphe", a witty term Paul uses for "pastor", in Eph4:11-16, esp. v.16. If you look up the term in the lexicons, you learn that a "haphe" is used in Greek in both the biological and the cons
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Truthtesty quote QuoteNo one yet has shown me the verse or verses that Thieme claims 1 right pastor has sole authority over his own congregation. Thieme teaching just that identifies Thieme\Berachah as a cult. genez quote QuoteThat was not how it was. The Pastor of the church is the sole authority on what was to be taught. Elected Deacons were the administration authority. Thieme could be v
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Truthtesty quote QuoteI was wondering if brainout, Ephesians, and Genez, would like to explain Thieme's teachings about "A wife is obligated(by scripture) to do anything, AND THAT MEANS ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING GOES, that her husand wants from her in the bedroom" How's that for Thieme's emotional disturbance? Would you like to explain? This is EXACTLY what Thieme taught on
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Ephesians 1st you have not shown me the verse or verses that Thieme claims 1 right pastor has sole authority over his own congregation. That alone makes Thieme a cult. Ephesians quote QuoteExcuse my contraditions in stating I'm exiting the forum, then reappearing, but this really needs to be addressed. Perhaps I can be more available when school is finished (one more month), but I
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I offer documentation for the world see in front of God and everyone, so they can read what Doctors of Theology have stated about what is wrong with Thieme's teachings. For those truly interested in what other Doctors of Theology have stated about Thieme's false teachings, you can "gift purchase" this booklet from the Bible for Today website at search under "Walter,
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To the Forum: Dr. Spiros Zodhiates said of Thieme's THEORY on the physical death of Jesus "UTTER HERESY.... I cannot in anyway either as a student of the word of God or as a native-born Greek, having delved into the New Testament Greek as well as the classical Greek for my entire life, accept the THEORY of Mr. Thieme. In my opinion, his THEORY is entirely erroneous and misleading and
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To Genez Genez quote: Quote Thanks! Now, go follow your leader! Your wrong in more than 1 way Genez. Happy is not my follower, she (unlike Thiemites) thinks for herself. She is my friend. I am not a cult leader. I would not be a good cult leader if I chose. I would be an excellent cult leader if I so chose. Truthtesty
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To Genez: QuoteGenez quote: What are YOUR qualifications? The truth. Truthtesty
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To the Forum: Forum quote QuoteI have seven copies of Dr. Wall's dissertation on my computer from a long time ago, both old and new versions. It was 1978, and you have to ask yourself why DTS would grant a doctorate in theology for a dissertation which is NOT about God. The doctrines discussed in the dissertation are discussed at the most elementary level, a kind of kindergarten versi
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To Happy: Thankyou for your support. Truthtesty
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brainout quoteQuoteI wanted pm rights so I could get away from you. You didn't know me, you jumped on me for initially posting to Galiban and GeneZ. But when you actually asked me a question, I thought -- ok, I'll try to reply in a manner befitting this forum's purpose. This you rebuffed, and your vitriol continues. Bye, testy. I didn't come here to defend Thieme or debate
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QuoteThe MESSAGE does not depend on whose mouth states it. If a drunk is screaming the Gospel down Calcutta streets, the Gospel is still TRUE in his mouth. So think of Thieme like a drunk or like a dedicated doulos, but it's still only the MESSAGE which matters. Your choice, whose mouth you want it to come from I have a question for you brainout. If David Koresh were screaming the Gospel d
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To brainout: brainout quote Quote Five more posts and I get 'pm' rights. I read the Forum Rules and realize there are no exceptions. Honoring rules is always beneficial. So here goes: Well it's looks like you weren't just trying to get you pm rights, like you wanted everyone to believe, because here you are with many more posts than you need-speaking directly at the Thie
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To brainout: I am going to comment on what you have stated, now you may or may not reply. I really don't care. But you make a foolish unrealistic assumption, if you choose to participate on this forum to speak directly at the Thieme cult issue that we are talking about here and then you turn around an expect me not comment on what you stated. Now you say you here just to get pm rights. Y
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To brainout: Besides you don't know the 1st thing about what I appreciate or don't appreciate. I have no problems handling any and all people who question what I have to say - that includes Thieme and his son. Prime example, both Genez and Galiban played tag team on me, and I handled them both. If you consider your information so private, then what are you doing announcing what you h
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To brainout: Your last 2 posts began with Truthtesty which means you were addressing me. This is a free forum where people are allowed to comment on whatever is said on this forum. This is not a highly restricted controlled enviroment, although there are rules. If people were not allowed to comment on whatever was posted, then that would mean you'd be controlling communication by your ru
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To brainout: You just did. Truthtesty
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To brainout: Even though you were addressing someone else in your post, I'll answer the question. brainout quote posted: 03-24-2007 07:49 AM QuoteYou wrote, back on 2/12/2007: "Many thought Paul was a cult. Many believers gave him the nickname, "the abortion." Did you know that?" Would you mind telling me where you learned this? I'm interested in this kind o
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