genez quote QuoteThe Blood of Christ as Thieme taught it, originated at DTS. I knew a DTS graduate Doctor of Divinity, who showed me how what Thieme taught on the blood was from his class notes. It became a political issue when DTS started seeking funds from fundamentalist organizations, and DTS needed to distance themselves from this teaching which was unpopular with fundamentalists.
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To the Forum: Truthtesty: More Chafer quotes The following are quotes from GRACE by Lewis Sperry Chafer GRACE BY LEWIS SPERRY CHAFER 1871-1952 Founder/President of Dallas Theological Seminary, Dallas, Texas; Professor of Systematic Biblical Theology; Editor, Bibliotheca Sacra (C) Copyright, 1922, by LEWIS SPERRY CHAFER THIS BOOK IS AFFECTIONATELY DEDICATED TO THE LATE CYRUS
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To the Forum: Truthtesty: I am providing quotes (as time permits) by Chafer on the blood of Jesus and the physical death of Jesus to debunk Thieme's claim of orthydoxy. The facts prove that Thieme has deviated from Chafer and orthodoxy. I welcome anyone to prove or disprove what I have stated. Per Dr. Wall's dissertation: "Thieme conceives of his doctrinal position as bein
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To the Forum: Lewis Sperry Chafer quote: "Christ cannot save by His crown, by His authority, or by His glory. He can save only by His precious blood. Even His power cannot save us apart from the atoning sacrifice which He has made." Truthtesty
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To the Forum: brainout quote QuoteShort-take #2, about whether Blood of Christ was DTS teaching. In the original thesis by Dr. Wall, Dr. Walvoord had a lengthier preface speaking to that question. This has been excised from the revised copy of the thesis which you can get on the internet. Which means, you cannot get the original and use it. So although I know what the original says versus the
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To the Forum: I would like to note that Dr. Wall, in his dissertation, appears to be using very soft "boxing gloves" when being critical of Thieme. For example when comparing "The False Teachings Of Pastor R. B. Thieme, Jr." and Dr. Wall's dissertation "Bob Thieme's Teachings On Christian Living" I noticed one pulled punch. Dr. Wall states Quote"2
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To the Forum: genez quote Quote"Now? Name one you stopped? genez quote Quote"This is a place to exchange ideas and to learn. And, you assume that everyone who comes here with a complaint is being objective." Truthtesty: Why should she? The US government won't even not stop a cult, until they become criminal. The purpose and dialogue of this site (as it's always be
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Dr. Enroth "False teachers not only imitate the real ministers of Christ, but regularly quote Scripture and distort the Bible for their own purposes. Thielicke "The great seducer always uses the same devices: he seems to take God at his word, and yet he twists the meaning of this word almost before it has left God's mouth" (Thielicke, Between God and Satan, p. 55).
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Yasmin quote QuoteTheimes' beliefs are based on the idea that most of what Jesus says actually doesn't apply .Love your neighbour as yourself? Well that doesn't really mean us...we are the new christians. Turn the other cheek? Well that does not really apply to us either...Of course it appears that according to Theime the really old testament stuff (the law of Moses) seemed to have
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To the Forum: So I ask you, after looking at what Thieme has done to the literal shed blood of Jesus and the physical death of Jesus, and after looking at Thielicke's statements, who would be the most interested in spreading a false gospel? Truthtesty
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To the Forum: Helmut Thielicke wrote: The serpent is assuredly not the Bolshevik type of atheist who blurts out his infernal notions in Paradise -- the serpent is a firm believer in God. Indeed he is fully informed on the subject of God -- and he trembles (Jas. 2.19) . But being cunning and clever, he succeeds in trembling with his tail only, while his face remains calm, compelling and fas
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To the Forum: Contrary to what Thieme claimed for years that "Dallas Theological Seminary that deviated from Chafer" (I have never seen evidence of this) , it appears it was Thieme who deviated from Chafer on the literal blood of christ and the physcial death of Jesus. This is also defines Thieme as a cult because the blood of christ is what is attacked by cults. The doctrinal st
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rrmoderator Happy is right. Let him stay for a while longer. His dialogue is not honest, but he's unintentionally providing this board and the world, an example of how a Thiemite behaves, thinks, acts, tries to control, tries to intimidate, attacks everyone who doesn't agree with Thieme, everyone is out to get him, worships Thieme, etc... It's kinda like CSI, sometimes you ha
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Truthtesty quote Quote To the Forum and future readers: In view of the fact that people have clinically died on the operating table and have come back to life, which would prove that Jesus could have died physically and then said Telestai then gave up his spirit." gene quote QuoteMen did not physically die that quickly on a cross. Why do you think Pilate was surprised to hear Jesus
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To the Forum and future readers: In view of the fact that people have clinically died on the operating table and have come back to life, which would prove that Jesus could have died physically and then said Telestai then gave up his spirit, Did Thieme ever recant his doctrine of salvation? Truthtesty
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To the Forum: Truthtesty stated: QuoteWhat was Thieme excuse of stopping all questions during class? It wasn't really "class" after that was it? It became a dictation at that point. I mean because in a real classroom where you are able you ask questions, in the act of asking a question your using critical thinking. genez, all you had to say was it disrupted class. This in
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To genez: What was Thieme excuse of stopping all questions during class? It wasn't really "class" after that was it? It became a dictation at that point. I mean because in a real classroom where you are able you ask questions, in the act of asking a question your using critical thinking. TRUTHTESTY THE CONFIDENT
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To the Forum: genez quote QuoteNotice how sure Dr. Wall was? "Necessarily?" "Probably?" Dr. Wall was not giving absolutes here. He was simply introducing his own areas of doubt. He was not getting what Thieme was saying. Truthtesty states: He was introducing what he thought Thieme was thinking, not his doubts. Dr. Wall knows very very well what Thieme knew. Dr. Wall was
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QuoteSo, you understand the concept of hearsay? One would not know it by the way you speak. *NOTE TO MODERATOR THIS IS JUST AN UNFOUNDED INVALIDATING ATTACK QuoteAs for Dr. Wall's exegesis? In court we can bring in more than one witness. There are those who can present the other side who are not being heard. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MORE WITNESSES. WHAT'S YOUR POINT? Quote
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genez qoute QuoteQuote: I realize that. But I wish to take the wind out of his sails because his approach and attitude needs to be toned down. His sense of overconfidence needs balancing. His attacks need to be shown from what kind of person he is. That will never happen. AND if Thieme wasn't cultic in the first place and hadn't attacked my family, then this conversation would
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Wow can you believe this? I made a mistake. I did not put quotes around this in the previous post. QuoteIt became a political issue when DTS started seeking funds from fundamentalist organizations, and DTS needed to distance themselves from this teaching which was unpopular with fundamentalists. Prove this. hearsay until proven. Truthtesty
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Truthtesty wrote: To the Forum: Moving on... I ran across an article written by Dr. Hymers. Any comments? Truthtesty Quote Give me a list of some top preachers in the United States? Give me a few minutes in a search? And I can find criticism for each one. What you did proves nothing. Its just anti Thieme. That's all that matters to you. It's called critical ana
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To genez Truthtesty quote QuoteYou wish! lol My personal beliefs are my own. I have said before that if Paul's words contradict Jesus's words then Paul's words are "out the window". Pauline christians would like to give the appearance that all words in the bible are equal, but they are not. That's just common sense. I didn't need a special lexicon or a pasto
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To the Forum: One of the "terrible things" about Thieme forcing Thiemites to submit to Thieme's authority and be "positive and learn" is that members feel forced to submit to Thieme's conclusions of biblical logic only (to get the word) and shut down thier own critical biblical logic in favor of Thieme's conclusions. Biblical logic is something that everyone
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To the Forum: Moving on... I ran across an article written by Dr. Hymers. Any comments? Truthtesty
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genez qouteQuoteI realize that. But I wish to take the wind out of his sails because his approach and attitude needs to be toned down. His sense of overconfidence needs balancing. His attacks need to be shown from what kind of person he is. That will never happen. AND if Thieme wasn't cultic in the first place and hadn't attacked my family, then this conversation wouldn't be
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These are the facts genez with the tape recorded message date stamp 26 December 1975. Get the tape and listen to it for yourself. Thieme devaluated christians learning the bible for themselves. FACT. It's not going to change after your spin. Watch before and after spin. QuotePer Dr. Wall's dissertation: "Phil 3 via 11 Timothy 4:8 Doc/Surpassing Grace (SG3),” Philippians, ma
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genez Understand that by attacking me personally you won't change the facts about Theime. What your missing is that I said that when Jesus was alive christianity, was not a cult. The cults were after Jesus. Your just harrassing and disrupting this forum. There is no way, that ex-Thiemites could go onto a Pro-Thieme forum and be able to harrass and disrupt conversations like this. I think
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QuoteHow does that make him a cult, even if it were false doctrine? QuoteMany independent churches place the authority of the church in the pastor. I guess you'll just have to wait until God, dings it through your thick skull. I have already explained it many times. QuoteI think you are really creating a straw man in attempts to squeeze RBT into a box. It does not matter if its a true
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To Forum: BUT according to Thieme, you were supposed to distance yourself from those who wouldn't listen to Thieme. So the parent either had to either kick thier young adults out of the house before they were ready for the world or force them to listen Thieme. Truthtesty
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