QuoteagnosticchickThank you for the response. I don't find it necessary to name the stepfather's church. I felt instant remorse after posting, although I wasn't exactly sure why; I was merely expressing my thoughts and feelings, all valid. I came here seeking answers and support and, of course, I was concerned when I read all the claims that Berachah is a cult - and sickened to fi
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QuoteagnosticchickI grew up as a Berachah Baby in the prep school. Rebound, 10 problem solving devices, 5 cycles of discipline, Imputation, Sin Unto Death, Reversionism, the whole shebang. I remember singing the Aggie War Hymn and the Battle Hymn of the Green Berets on Thursday nights. I remember a guy in my third grade class was made to hold the plank position for acting out ("fidgeting&qu
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QuoteUnabashedlyChristianTruthtesty Are you willing to share your contact info? I would love to pick your brain. It think it would be a healing experience if those of us who are in Houston could get together. Hello UnabashedlyChristian, I can be reached privately at Truthtesty@hotmail.co

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To the Forum: Note: In 2 John 1:9 it says "didache tou christou" "teaching of christ" not "doctrine of christ". Truthtesty
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QuoteTouchSmartThank you for your post. I am not able to use the "know them by their fruits" argument, with my husband and sons. The pastors of this Thieme offshoot church have already maneuvered around this argument by teaching that "fruits" refers to the "fruit of the lips", or "the doctrine" that a believer professes. These pastors teach that it is wrong
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QuoteTouchSmartThank you for your post. I am not able to use the "know them by their fruits" argument, with my husband and sons. The pastors of this Thieme offshoot church have already maneuvered around this argument by teaching that "fruits" refers to the "fruit of the lips", or "the doctrine" that a believer professes. These pastors teach that it is wrong
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To the Forum: Another "Decision Translation" shown before on this forum, is worth repeating with additions. Understanding God's Government By Paul W. Syltie quote: "All Authority Inserted into Titus 2:15: The KJV reads: "These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee". In English, it sounds like Paul is telling Titus tha
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Hello TouchSmart: You might find this interesting from Dr. Kalinda Rose Stevenson :"...When it comes to Ephesians 5:21 and 5:22, we have two distinct translation decisions at work in most English Bibles: The first is that English translations take the idea of submission from the verb in 5:21 and create an imperative form of the verb in 5:22, which has no verb. The second is that Eng
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To the Forum: As I stated before the Hebrew mind clearly believed the literal shed blood was the actual life thereof. They are one in the same to the Hebrew mind. Simple - the blood is shed with the life and the body dies. So? the life is in the blood because that is what came out of the body as the body died. So? Now where does that life go? The blood goes into the hereafter - The afterlife.
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Quotezeebrook Wall (p28) makes the following statement After a careful examination of Thieme's teaching on the blood as it related to Christ's spiritual and physical deaths, one must conclude that he is definitely within the sphere of orthodox Christianity. Wall (p30) makes the following concluding statement ...it must be concluded that when measured by the standard of the nine funda
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To the Forum: I Corinthians 15:17 says that the death of Jesus on the Cross is not sufficient without the ressurection. Therefore clearly something more (the ressurection) defeated sin. Could that be "the Life"? That would mean that Stibbs, Morris etc... will need to revise their theory of the "Blood of Christ". Truthtesty
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To the Forum: What do the Pauline epistles say in I Corinthians 15:17?: 13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:  14And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.  15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise n
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To the Forum: Technical note: zeebrook's false quote of Dr. Walvoord: It must be concluded that the sacrifice of Christ was completed on the cross once and for all; that Christ did not present literal blood in heaven any more than His literal blood is applied to the believer now; that all cleansing in earth and heaven is on the basis of the blood shed on Calvary; that the work of C
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Quotezeebrook ...Walvoord (cited by Wall p25) concludes by saying The uniform manner of references in Hebrews is that Christ entered through His blood, rather than with His blood . . . The thought is that Christ entered, not as one bringing blood to complete a sacrifice, but as One who is clothed in blood, entering by virtue of the sacrifice . . . It must be concluded that the sacrifice of Chris
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Quotezeebrook Walvoord (cited by Wall p25) concludes by saying The uniform manner of references in Hebrews is that Christ entered through His blood, rather than with His blood . . . The thought is that Christ entered, not as one bringing blood to complete a sacrifice, but as One who is clothed in blood, entering by virtue of the sacrifice . . . It must be concluded that the sacrifice of Christ
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QuotezeebrookAgain Truthtesty goes off on tangent. Where on earth was anyone discussing anticommunism tapes, US Constitutions etc Get back to the point. Your love of Gayford is disturbing, but let's run with it anyway. Your mentor says "Blood", in its sacrificial associations, refers particularly to something which took place after the victim's death, i.e. To the alt
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zeebrook: Again Truthtesty goes off on tangent. Where on earth was anyone discussing anticommunism tapes, US Constitutions etc Get back to the point. Truthtesty: Get this - You are not the only person I am speaking to and I decide when that happens. The parallel of CACC's political taping, world-wide distribution, and study circles is near identical to Thieme's. That's probab
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QuotezeebrookMorris and Stibbs understand the "concept" of the blood. It's you truthtesty who does not. Your "Perpetual offering of the perfect Blood of Christ" is not a biblical concept. It is more Catholicism than anything else. The "blood of Christ" was offered once for all time, no such perpetual offering. Morris/Stibbs understand the Blood of Christ, c
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To the Forum: To me it makes perfect sense that the Hebrew mind really believed "the blood is the life". Rev. 5:6 (KJV)- And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.   Is that not evi
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To the Forum: I apologize, this statement in the above post needs to be reviewed: "He is correct when he relates the Sin offering with sprinkling in Heb. 12:24 with proof of the context being Heb. 13:12. "This is a very involved study. As before, I request that everyone do thier own study and double-check what I have said. I welcome debate and correction.  It appears to me that
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To thereporter: Thier "horror". I get it.The first time I saw "Apocalyse Now", I was shocked by the parallels with Colonel Kurtz and Lt. Col.Thieme-even down to the cult followers. The only difference being the followers wear modern garb, not jungle animal skin(as far as we know). Truthtesty
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To the Forum: Thieme's mind game parlor trick of "being in charge" of the thiemites belief system can be boiled down to:"Thieme was in charge of the thiemite's sense of what was "right" and "wrong"(and Thieme perverted even that)." But? The ex-thiemite needs to give him or herself permission to accept that Thieme was wrong(and quite often he wa
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To thereporter: I always enjoy reading your posts! Your posts are accurate, hilariously funny, and truthful at the same time. Truthtesty
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To the Forum: zeebrook quote: Good grief Mr Moderator. How can you make such an outlandish declaration. "So zeebrook is here essentially to defend Thieme and his beliefs." Common courtesy would have you at least phrase it as a question, "are you zeebrook here to defend Thieme and his beliefs?" Simple answer, No. Long answer follows: So where have I defended Thieme
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To z: z quote: "Rant and rave all you want about failed logic, it is in fact yours that is faulty. Long winded, waffling statements you make are a pretense of intellectualism, supposed logic and argument. Sorry they fail plus I cannot be bothered with the repetition of your tired rhetoric." Truthtesty: The Blood of Christ is a synecdoche, which includes the literal Shed Blood. W
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To thereporter: Your welcome and thanks for your posts. Truthtesty
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To the Forum: Whatever your excuse, but I did not let you misrepresent Spurgeon, who you tried to make him appear as "fringe collegue of Mcarthur (Mcarthur copied Thieme in many ways while Mcarthur was at Be-reich-ah). No surrender? But you sure BYPASS a lot of the real issues including my questions and the moderator's questions. But? Ok go ahead and "argue" the para
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To the Forum: z quote: "Let’s go further, Charles Spurgeon in the Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit Volume 32 p123 says “When we speak of the blood, we wish not to be understood as referring solely or mainly to the literal material blood which flowed from the wounds of Jesus. We believe in the literal fact of his shedding his blood; but when we speak of his cross and blood we mean those suff
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To the Forum: QuotezeebrookWell Truthtesty you want to have your cake and it too. If you are going to argue based on Matthew 26:26-28 then argue what the text says and not your substitutions. Truthtesty: No it is you z, who should take your own advice. It is you like Thieme who would take Nazi Behm's "low information" speculation to wild extremes. Again, as I have said befor
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To the Forum: z quote:"This is the same argument Stibbs, Morris et.al. use in saying “the blood of Christ” is an expression meaning His death. Exactly as we understand Jesus in the Matthew passage saying this bread/wine represents my body, my blood it is not actually my body or my blood it represents them. He shed His blood meaning He died upon the cross for our sins.unquote. Truthtest
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