That has been covered earlier in this thread when discussing Epistemology. Byron Katie is one the biggest bullshit Storytellers out there today. She pretends her lies are true. "racket about stories" is a reference to Werner Erhard, who taught the same BS as Byron Katie. QuoteRemiThe Anticult, How do you KNOW all this stuff or is it just your stories?? What is "a racket
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The stuff about "Shoulds" is usually credited as coming from Dr. Karen Horney, and The Tyranny Of The Shoulds. I think she figured that one out first, and then CBT tested and refined it. It has been proven that when people berate themselves with SHOULDS, they make themselves miserable, and there is no escape. So that is now a part of CBT. In REBT that is also called Musturbat
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As long as we're collecting names of people who are liberally spreading Byron Katie crapola around I'd like to throw this link out for addition to the long list previously posted. I attended a weekend workshop she facilitated. Basically it was an LGAT type sampler with the usual hypnotic regression to childhood "splits" as the culmination of a long weekend of being pro
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The Anticult, How do you KNOW all this stuff or is it just your stories?? What is "a racket about stories"? They way I understand it is that stories is what tell other people about why and/or how we failed, and facts are just facts (i.e. not stories), but I could be mistaken?
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helpme2times - I am also reading this book and enjoying its sane, logical approach very much. There are many things that my Guru said about trying to reduce negative emotions, or how to handle relationships for example that at the time I thought were divinely inspired ideas from God. He did have a lovely way of putting things sometimes. But now when I read David Burns' book I see that
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Yes, it's been noted at least once before that Byron Katie may have done EST and/or Landmark, and used that to formulate her method. I am still in the midst of reading Dr. David D. Burns' "Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy" and was struck by something recently because it sounded AN AWFUL LOT like something Byron Katie does. It involves her "turnaround" techniq
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The last 2 comments explain how Landmark is very similar to Byron Katie. There is no question that Byron Katie copied a lot of material from Werner Erhard. She promotes the exact same false idea about "stories".
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It is literally not possible to not have a story. Having no story, is a story, just a different story. All Byron Katie does is literally tell hypnotic stories with embedded metaphors. That's all she does. So she must get enormous pleasure from telling everyone to step outside of their stories, to be without a story, when all she does is hypnotize them with her stories. It must be an
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QuoteThe Anticultyes, Stories appear to be the foundation of the human psyche, and Byron Katie knows this of course. She even mentioned in some of her material how ancient the STORY of Gilgamesh was. (its more than 4000 years) Byron Katie loves to say "Not possible!" and that is the answer to her oft-asked question, "Who would you be without your story?"
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Quote:corboy I want to meet that cockroach. ON2LF wrote: LOL! I second that..I'm beginning to think, maybe that bug is worth getting acquainted with! Corboy again: A one inch cockroach ran up into my pants leg twice, not once, twice. And in the nastiest men's bathroom in town. To think that I coulda used this as evidence of being enlightened and gotten rich and famou
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QuoteThe AnticultOr maybe she is a psychopath? Psychopath's can cry crocodile tears to manipulate people and feel no sadness, even when their own mother dies. Clearly even Oprah can see this woman is full of hot-gas, when she says she has NOT SUFFERED in 22 years. I'd be willing to bet that she'll feel a twinge of 'suffering' when her million$ stop rolling in.
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QuotecorboyI want to meet that cockroach. LOL! I second that..I'm beginning to think, maybe that bug is worth getting acquainted with!
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yes, Stories appear to be the foundation of the human psyche, and Byron Katie knows this of course. She even mentioned in some of her material how ancient the STORY of Gilgamesh was. (its more than 4000 years) Guess who is involved with the Epic Gilgamesh Story? Every "sacred book" on the planet is full of "stories". And those were just written down from oral stories befor
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Travelling Jewish Theatre once did a show entitled Sometimes We Need a Story More than Food. I have not yet looked it up, but there is a cookbook of recipes that were secured from a manuscript. Women who were imprisoned in, I think Terezin or one of the other concentration camps, told stories of the recipes they had used at home, wrote them down, keeping the image of home in thier minds, when
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Ye godz, Corboy, that is quite a story! "Who would you be without your story?" I dare to say that you wouldn't be you. Our stories (aka our histories) like it or not are a large part of who we are.
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The Roman satirical poet Persius put it this way: 'Anyone who wants to bowl me over will need to weep genuine tears, not rehearsed the night before.' (Persius Satire One line 90. Niall Rudd's translation) Damn...years back in my student days, I worked in at the local homeless shelter. One day, I was cleaning the men's room, and a one inch cockroach ran over--and
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QuoteThe AnticultByron Katie is a very slick operator. Its all just word games. So she can say...I can cry and have tears, but not feel sad. Maybe that is just a silly word game. Or maybe she is a psychopath? Psychopath's can cry crocodile tears to manipulate people and feel no sadness, even when their own mother dies. Clearly even Oprah can see this woman is full of hot-gas, when sh
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Byron Katie is a very slick operator. Its all just word games. So she can say...I can cry and have tears, but not feel sad. Maybe that is just a silly word game. Or maybe she is a psychopath? Psychopath's can cry crocodile tears to manipulate people and feel no sadness, even when their own mother dies. Clearly even Oprah can see this woman is full of hot-gas, when she says she has NO
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QuotecorboyI want to meet that cockroach. Okey dokey! [Cockroach]
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I want to meet that cockroach.
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Oprah Winfrey and Byron Katie have continued their talk. Here is a partial transcription of part 2, "Learning The Work"... BK: "It's just four questions and a turnaround. It's nothing without your answers." Oprah: "The Work is merely four questions. It's not even a thing. It has no motives, no strings. It's nothing without your answers. These
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Thanks, C. I will certainly follow your advice if someone contacts me and anything seems "off" about it. I do want to say that some people have PM-ed me and I felt them to be geniunely concerned and interested in processing the topics of this message board. I have been glad to dialogue with those people privately. Not everyone is comfortable discussing this stuff in public. Just
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Hello friends: If anyone gets PM's (private messages) that just dont smell right, feel free to send a copy of that PM to Mr. Ross. That's what I always do. This is especially recommended if someone asks us to post something on the board for them, or just plain gets weird on us via PM.
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One of Byron Katie's core teachings is that there are only 3 kinds of business: mine, yours, and God's. She maintains that people need to get back in their own business and leave others alone. Do the work on their own thoughts rather than try to fix things on the outside and in others. So.... Why do supporters of The Work show up here and try to convince us of how wonderful the work
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Here is a case study of how several licensed therapists got into hot water when they 1) let an unlicensed guru give them instructions on how to do therapy with clients and 2) the therapists used the therapeutic alliance to recruit clients into the guru's group. The therapists, whose professions were regulated by law were the ones who took the rap. The unlicensed guru went scot fr
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And those with licenses forget that if they offer a procedure that does not meet legally mandated standards for care, they, not BK, not Oprah or (fill in name of charismatic entrepreneur/euse here), it the person with the license who is the one who is legally vulnerable in the event that a patient or client incurs harm. And...its not necessarily a disenchanted patient or client who instigate
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QuoteThe AnticultThere is some extremely questionable material on the website of Debra S London, MD. She is blatantly promoting The Work of Byron Katie, and not providing any evidence. Debra London MD is also completely ignoring everything else that is going on with Byron Katie. There's a "licensed mental health counselor" from the Hall Health Center in Seattle who gives a plug f
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There is some extremely questionable material on the website of Debra S London, MD. She is blatantly promoting The Work of Byron Katie, and not providing any evidence. Debra London MD is also completely ignoring everything else that is going on with Byron Katie. Information posted on her website is interesting. She states she was in a severe depression in 2004, and this is when she found By
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This is a good example of why even though its always better to go with a licensed therapist, they still have to be carefully evaluated. "Right Brain" psychiatry raises some red flags right there, and her comparison of Cognitive Therapy to The Work shows very poor judgement and is a very biased and flawed analysis. There is literally not one single piece of evidence, not one single s
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I'd like to add to the list I made the other day of Byron Katie "Facilitators". To show how very many people want to capitalize on "the work", and in case there are folks googling these facilitators... Celeste Gabriele Question the Mind - Mona Grayson Yoga and Transformation Hanna in Venice Flay Wahl Return to Center - Irene Bojczuk Gopita Katharine Manning Life
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