Things to Make and Do Go to the search button on the upper right corner of the message board window. Open it and go to the 'author search' slot. Put 'Elaine' into the author search slot and select 'all forums' and 'all dates.' There are just 5 posts by Elaine, making this quite manageable. Read them, starting from the earliest to the most
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douglas_goodall: Bye bye. See The rules state: "The purpose of this message board is not to promote a specific religious and/or political viewpoint. Don't use it to preach or proselytize." Offering your personal religious beliefs within a post is against the rules. You could have simply said that Katie's approach violates your beliefs, without the detailed e
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You removed a paragraph where I explained the impact here system would have on my beliefs. I wasn't preaching, and since you have censored my thoughtful remarks, I will not be back. You are entitled to your rules, but I didn't break them. You are intolerant.
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douglas_goodall: Please don't preach religious beliefs here. This is against the rules you agreed to before posting.
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I have to agree with you that Byron Katie is dangerous. I would have to ask, Would you go to an unlicensed psychiatrist and let them do therapy on you? Would you let them hypnotize you and reprogram your core beliefs? (assuming you have a core belief that you can be hypnotized). She turns you loose to reprogram yourself. Our core beliefs are what make up who we are. They are given to us partly
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QuoteThe AntiCultI literally cannot stand Byron Katies voice anymore at this point, its like verbal waterboarding. "Verbal Waterboarding. This gets my vote for best metaphor/analogy (not sure what to call it but it made me laugh). Also, thanks to whoever posted info about David Burn's books. I think more than one of you did. I've got the "Feeling Good" paperback in m
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QuotecorboyDear H, your mail box is full. Get the Drano. C Done! God that thing fills up fast!
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Dear H, your mail box is full. Get the Drano. C
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QuoteREALnothings ... I still deal with these extraversion/introversion issues and uncertainties in myself and with my behavior. ... ... So much karma/energy had been generated by my relations with the group, though, that For at least a week or two I felt like someone who'd just withdrawn cold-turkey from a prolonged period of psychedelic drug use. It's interesting that you put it t
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Alas, Byron Katie's work is spreading: [The Work on the Web of Byron Katie] "The Work on the Web is a unique, innovative online coaching tool that gives you everything you need in order to do The Work: materials, videos, support, and examples. It's designed to inspire you to deepen your inquiries and get powerful – even life-changing – results." "Special launch o
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QuoteSparkyAnd of course, Eckhart Tolle and "The Power of Now" is mentioned this week in Newsweek....It seems that Rielle Hunter, the mistress of the failed presidential hopeful John Edwards, is big into Eckart Tolle and thinks it is her mission to spread the word. Here's the story link: Wow, very interesting. Thank you, Sparky!
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And of course, Eckhart Tolle and "The Power of Now" is mentioned this week in Newsweek....It seems that Rielle Hunter, the mistress of the failed presidential hopeful John Edwards, is big into Eckart Tolle and thinks it is her mission to spread the word. Here's the story link:
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The thing that stands out to me is that there's so much controversy over her/her "Work." There's alot of negative things being said about her and what she does. Look at just the blog above. Not that controversy hasn't followed great people in history, too, but in general I find that if it walks like a duck, flies like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's strongly and mo
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Looking at Another Group--See any Similarities? Just as many argue that the US doesnt use torture, because sleep deprivation and waterboarding do not resemble our stereotyped views of what constitutes torture, it can be very hard to believe that mind control can be accomplished by remote control, not via direct coercion at gunpoint or in a jungle compound. One tends to assume that mind cont
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Corboy, you've reminded me of something I read a while back at Guruphiliac's blog on Byron Katie. A commenter had this to say about the Turnaround Houses (it's dated 4/5/08): I have always wondered what other info about Byron Kaite was out there. I just Googled "Byron Katie and Cult" ... wow I have been very close to the situation for some time now. I was a caregiv
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Doesnt someone have to have a clinical license to run a residential program? Or at the very least, get fire permits? Health department permits for cooking are an interesting matter--a private residence might or might not need 'em. Wonder if there is a subsection of law entitled 'turnarounds' or how to CYA your client's LGAT? And, if someone were physically injured
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QuoteJBQuotehelpme2timesAnd collect $20,000 a head for the Turnaround House. It should be called the "Turn Around and Run For Your Life House". LOL! I heartily agree!
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Quotehelpme2timesQuote And collect $20,000 a head for the Turnaround House. It should be called the "Turn Around and Run For Your Life House".
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QuoteI watched the video again, Byron Katie re Money, and wooo, I can totally see through her now. Thank goodness. I just watched a minute or two of this. My favorite bile inducing quip from BK: "motivation is fear". She expertly creates so much confusion in her interviewee/victim. Sigh. Oh God, I remember that part now. That statement really jolted me. How sick to equate motivati
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I watched the video again, Byron Katie re Money, and wooo, I can totally see through her now. Thank goodness. I just watched a minute or two of this. My favorite bile inducing quip from BK: "motivation is fear". She expertly creates so much confusion in her interviewee/victim. Sigh.
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QuoteON2 LF It is simply ironic that people choose the path of least resistance when it comes to dealing with the realities and struggles in life, and will gravitate to a solution 1000x more ambiguous..like the solutions offered by a slickster like BK. It is maddening to watch, and more maddening to know the world remains a literal playground for anyone who chooses to make a living by exploiting
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QuoteThe Anticult She thinks she knows "God" and what "God" is, and just plays word games and mind games. Think of the outrageous arrogance of Byron Katie proclaiming in her book Losing The Moon, that the Nazi war criminals in their crimes against humanity, were doing the Work of her idea of "God". It literally is demented, to be as arrogant as Byron Katie is about t
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QuoteShaking My HeadQuoteON2 LF Why is the battle for the mind so easy for people like Byron Katie or Tolle to win, and so incredibly difficult a battle for those on the honest side of the fence? People hate ambiguity in life, shades of grey, thinking things out (complex and messy);they'd rather have someone "more evolved" figure things out for them. Read the latest new age
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hey that's a great point. Carl Sagan called that a Tolerance for Ambiguity. wikipedia even has a small entry for that. Its the simple ability to be humble, and admit we don't have all the answers in the universe, and don't know everything. Byron Katie thinks she can explain the entire universe, and she can't. She is completely ignorant of healthy psychology, and just
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QuoteON2 LF Why is the battle for the mind so easy for people like Byron Katie or Tolle to win, and so incredibly difficult a battle for those on the honest side of the fence? People hate ambiguity in life, shades of grey, thinking things out (complex and messy);they'd rather have someone "more evolved" figure things out for them. Read the latest new age book, go to the lat
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again, I have not yet watched the video, but I will. But how this stuff works is that when the hypnotist-salesman (Byron Katie) is talking about "money issues", and releasing the video to the public, its not about the guy she is talking to. The guy in the video becomes a symbol in our own mind of our of own skeptical resistance to Byron Katie, and especially Byron Katies idea that you
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QuotecorboyMeditation Upon a Vase of Flowers QuoteThe Anticult she coaches people to be like a vase of flowers, passive and accepting, and this allows Byron Katie to move into your mind. Lets look at what happens with 'a vase of flowers.' The flowers are cut off from their roots before being inserted into that vase and water. Once in the vase, the flowers can last only a ce
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QuoteThe AnticultThere is a video of Byron Katie I have not watched, but have seen advertised a lot. Its about some guy who is "uptight about money issues". I chuckled when I saw that, as you know what THAT video is going to be REALLY about. Opening up your wallet to the Roach-lady, that's what. So I'll check out that video at some point, but I literally cannot stand Byron
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Meditation Upon a Vase of Flowers QuoteThe Anticult she coaches people to be like a vase of flowers, passive and accepting, and this allows Byron Katie to move into your mind. Lets look at what happens with 'a vase of flowers.' The flowers are cut off from their roots before being inserted into that vase and water. Once in the vase, the flowers can last only a certain tim
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Quotesolea13helpme2times - I am also reading this book and enjoying its sane, logical approach very much. Yay Dr. Burns! FYI, I've also gotten hold of another of David Burns' books. It's about relationships and is entlted, "Intimate Connections". Great stuff and very practical. Imo the Burns info is excellent for counteracting a culty mindset.
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