Actually, Eckhart Tolle does shill for his own speeches which earn him a fortune for each appearance, literally a few speeches bring in a million dollars in profit. Eckhart Tolle is an entrepreneur and serious moneymaker, and always has been. Also, Eckhart Tolle shills for his own personal network marketing style Church Of Tolle, in that he has people set up home meetings where they watch Eckh
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I have no experience with Byron Katie, but I've read Eckhart Tolle's "The Power of Now" and "Stillness Speaks." I found the ideas to be inspiring and refreshing at the time. But as with all self-help I've tried, they never stuck, although they did help get me interested in spirituality enough to find a legit meditation hall. I think Tolle's ideas mig
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Idunno: Your last post was not approved and deleted. Frankly, let's be honest, you are here as an apologist and your posts are becoming quite predictable and very redundant. Over and over again you essentially say that based upon your subjective experience Ms. Katie is OK by you, but of course not for everyone. OK. We get it. Please understand that this kind of tired apology i
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QuoteIdunnoCorboy: "Well, you're very invested in defending BK here." No. I am not. So far, I've just been defending myself to you. If BK is a cult guru, then she's a cult guru. If she's not, she's not. Whatever her truth is at the core, I can't know. It still doesn't take away the fact I did highly benefit from The Work. Why exactly I did wherea
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Helpme2times: ""Idunno", I don't see how you can say" I never 'guru-ized' BK" when you also say "I more or less revere her as a teacher" (gurus are revered, after all) and "I was hooked after the very first worksheet and have been doing The Work since then". Methinks you are lying to yourself. " Yes. I also revere actors, auth
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Hello all, I sure have been enjoying following the Byron Katie thread of late (especially the stuff about "curative fantasies" and how revering a person is an indicator for setting that person up as a guru). I started this separate thread because I used to take an acting workshop from a guy who billed himself as the anti-guru but once you got into his workshop, flipped into a scre
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yeah, Carol Skolnick is a real trickster, probably learned a lot of stuff from her past cult experience, and then from Katie herself. That is a double-trick. The first trick is Katie trying to lure people in with confusing statements, that is used in hypnosis to create confusion before a Suggestion. Then Carol Skolnick promotes the statement, and uses questions to lure people in. One can
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QuoteThe AnticultBut for those who stay inside the Byron Katie system for more than a year or two, or who are involved with BKI or with BK Coaching...watch out. They have no regard for telling the truth. For them, the ends justify the means, so they will say anything to bring you in. Regarding that, here is one of Carol Skolnick's recent blog entries: [A Katie-ism and Your Response is..
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Notice also that basically every single BK promoter has been busted being dishonest, right in the thread. If you meet anyone who is "really into" Byron Katie, you would be wise to verify everything they claim or say. Basically, in essense, Byron Katie trains people to lie. Lie to themselves, and lie to others. They end up believing there is no reality other than what you say, so they
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QuotecorboyTroll Count as of September 8th 2008 Daphne, Anticultist, ralpher, Randomstu, prsp (or something like that) Ex Scientology Kid, cultcity and Idunno. I found more trolls in this thread (may have missed some): golfer6716 eduardo Jon Willis al3r Gee screddy57 Daphne Remi douglas_goodall
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Troll Count as of September 8th 2008 Daphne, Anticultist, ralpher, Randomstu, prsp (or something like that) Ex Scientology Kid, cultcity and Idunno. As in people who really invested serious effort on the BK thread. And..Idunno wanted us to treat him or her as an individual. That reads strangely from someone who adores a leader who processes everyone through the same method and doesn
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Its interesting how the main Byron Katie PR people, (who are generally doing The Work to pay The Mortgage) all have very similar tactics. They must be trained in these tactics as they get further into the world of Byron Katie. One of the main tactics they use, is to minimize and deflect from what Byron Katie says. They try to whitewash it. Its very clear in many areas that Byron Katie literall
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Curative reality is different from curative fantasy. Curative reality speaks for itself. Curative fantasy needs to be propped up and validated. The more of a difference between curative fantasy and reality, the more validation it demands and the less tolerance for dissent or doubt. I came down with double pneumonia following influenza. After five days and nights of chills and fever
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Quotecorboy And it is interesting that in the one tiny corner of cyberspace where this question is asked---we get demands to justify our 'illogic'. A curative fantasy has to be a very fragile thing if it cannot permit one tiny corner of disagreement to exist anywhere in cyberspace. Milllions of devotees are blogging BK's praises. Isnt that enough to prop her curative fan
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Regarding Ornstein's curative fantasy, there is a paper I am itching to get my hands on. Another author has taken Ornstein's concept of 'curative fantasy and developed that concept further--by inviting psychotherapists to enhance their own self insight (self-supervision) by examining their own curative fantasies. The spotlight is turned upon the powerholder in this exchange.
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beware of Byron Katie promoters, (who of course say they are NOT BK promoters), who say things like... "everything needed to do The Work is given away for free". That is the same when Byron Katie, and others say, "The Work is freely given". Notice how BK's wording is much more tricky... And notice how those who promote BK will brazenly lie to promote their prod
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Quotesolea13helpme2times: I just watched the youtube video of Byron Katie with the man with terminal cancer. It was so painful to watch the whole way through. In fact I had to stop the video a couple of times. I made myself watch the whole thing because I wanted to witness her in action right to the bitter end. I have reflected on what I saw and I can think of no reason whatsoever to force som
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helpme2times: I just watched the youtube video of Byron Katie with the man with terminal cancer. It was so painful to watch the whole way through. In fact I had to stop the video a couple of times. I made myself watch the whole thing because I wanted to witness her in action right to the bitter end. I have reflected on what I saw and I can think of no reason whatsoever to force someone with te
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. I never deluded myself into thinking she had a cure for my depression. In my mind's eye she had a system of simply inquiring into stressful thoughts. I never blindly adopted BK's points of view as gospel and absolute truth. Well, you're very invested in defending BK here. (Yawn)
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"Idunno", I don't see how you can say" I never 'guru-ized' BK" when you also say "I more or less revere her as a teacher" (gurus are revered, after all) and "I was hooked after the very first worksheet and have been doing The Work since then". Methinks you are lying to yourself. But then Byron Katie is alleged to have said, "Everythin
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QuotecorboyAnd telling us we need to address our own' illogic' is just another way to pathologize those who disagree. I strongly disagree. If someone is making invalid assumptions that "If THIS occurs, then it MUST mean THAT" (with no consideration for other evidence, factors, or interpretations) or "2+2=donkey" then it is those fallacies that should be addressed and
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For someone who signs off as 'Idunno' you seem very, very sure of matters. Ive noticed that the names chosen by BK protagonists are interesting--designed to elicit pathos or throw readers off balance. And telling us we need to address our own' illogic' is just another way to pathologize those who disagree. BKistas constantly pathologize those who disagree. Take a ver
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Maybe this isn't the proper forum to address this issue, but I'm sure you'll let me know, moderator. :) I was raised in a non-practicing Catholic household. I went hyper born-again Christian in my late teens but then removed myself from church when I saw a guest pastor tell us "Please stand for prayer. Now take your wallet out, put it in your right hand and RAISE IT TO THE
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QuotecorboyThings to Make and Do Go to the search button on the upper right corner of the message board window. Open it and go to the 'author search' slot. Put 'Elaine' into the author search slot and select 'all forums' and 'all dates.' There are just 5 posts by Elaine, making this quite manageable. Read them, starting from the earliest t
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Finally, someone else sniffs out patterns too. If people had BRAIN ONE to do this, LGATs wouldn't exist. But most people are oblivious. Thanks, C. I noticed the same thing. QuotecorboyThings to Make and Do Go to the search button on the upper right corner of the message board window. Open it and go to the 'author search' slot. Put 'Elaine' into
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Things to Make and Do Go to the search button on the upper right corner of the message board window. Open it and go to the 'author search' slot. Put 'Elaine' into the author search slot and select 'all forums' and 'all dates.' There are just 5 posts by Elaine, making this quite manageable. Read them, starting from the earliest to the most
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douglas_goodall: Bye bye. See The rules state: "The purpose of this message board is not to promote a specific religious and/or political viewpoint. Don't use it to preach or proselytize." Offering your personal religious beliefs within a post is against the rules. You could have simply said that Katie's approach violates your beliefs, without the detailed e
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You removed a paragraph where I explained the impact here system would have on my beliefs. I wasn't preaching, and since you have censored my thoughtful remarks, I will not be back. You are entitled to your rules, but I didn't break them. You are intolerant.
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douglas_goodall: Please don't preach religious beliefs here. This is against the rules you agreed to before posting.
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I have to agree with you that Byron Katie is dangerous. I would have to ask, Would you go to an unlicensed psychiatrist and let them do therapy on you? Would you let them hypnotize you and reprogram your core beliefs? (assuming you have a core belief that you can be hypnotized). She turns you loose to reprogram yourself. Our core beliefs are what make up who we are. They are given to us partly
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