Oh yeah, I just remembered a time in India when we all lined up and hit each other in the face so we could practice turning the other cheek, or that Dave taught us all to have "flee bags" where we could run away quickly from trouble... such is the motivation of fear which drives their running regimes. Funny thing was this was around the same time Dave was fantasizing about shooting a
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Another thing that was a particular struggle for some in the Jesus Christians was the time we would all lie to centrelink to get unemployment benefits. Of course we were not looking for work and we were "working for God", and as such we were well within our rights to lie to the "system" which lay under the control of the devil. Any who objected were called "weak in fait
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A message to any Quakers who may be reading this forum. Are you aware that Dave ordered the whipping of a Kenyan volunteer within the ground of the JC compound in Kenya last year? Dave has written many articles ( easily accessable on his website) which justify the use of violence against individuals they deem as requiring it. They teach that this is symbolic of God judgement and forgiveness be
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Zeus, I think you would do well to slow it down a tad.
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Quotezeuszor I am not telling you what to think. I am always clear that I am presenting my opinion, what I THINK. I always qualify my posts with an IMO or some equivalent. Kindly please don't over-analyze my statements and read all kinds of negativity into them where there is none. You learned that technique from DM and it seems like you're still infected with that tendency. T
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QuotezeuszorPoint taken. Assertion. You are over-analyzing my words again. All I mean is that DM must be dealt with aggressively. All I'm saying is that I think it better to be aggressive in dealing with this matter than passive. Zeus, don't over react to me saying I prefer to take an assertive approach as opposed to your stated "aggressive" approach. Stop telling me
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I prefer the use of assertion. Aggression isn't coming from a place I am interested in using.
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Quotezeuszor You might as well give up on trying to reason with DM and his clones or to appeal to their logical capabilities on any level. You'd have better luck trying to reason with a brick wall. Don't waste your time or energy with that. It's frustrating as hell, and you'll only burn yourself out. I prefer to continue presenting reasoned arguments to them, if th
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QuoteBlackhatI am EXTREMELY disturbed by this: "But a better example is paedophilia. Kids are not FORCED to have sex, and yet society says it is wrong. I know, I know, they are not adults. But you see, we each have our restrictions that we think makes it wrong or doesn't make it wrong. And so what we decided to experiment with is just trying to follow the rules as we honestly and hum
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QuoteJack Oskar LarmApostate, I was saddened to see the utter contempt shown by Dave and Ezra to your posting of the Dr. Z list. The Lucifer Effect thread It seems a clear example of bully-boy tactics to ask you to sum up the list in your own words when it is clear that you are only being tolerated on their forum. I wonder why Dave didn't use an exclamation mark at the end of his '
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Seeing that Dave is allowing the members in his community to think I have not been banned I thought I may as well repost my comments here to his generous offer. Yes, Dave exercise your control over my mouth, as you did over that young boy in the electric wheel chair when you disconnected the battery as he was trying to get away from you... much to the horror of his mother. The interesting th
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Time to stop playing games Dave and send some regular contact to Joe's mother, and do what you can to get your people out of there. To "Bazza" I note you wrote this of me: "But we know from ten years of dealing with Craig that he is not a friend, but an enemy who pretends to be a friend. And he pretends to be interested in Jesus teachings when his only purpose is to
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Do you think the Quakers are aware that Dave ordered the whipping of a Kenyan volunteer within their compound for some "sin" against them?
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QuotecultmalleusI noticed a strange inconsistency the other day on their website. Apparently the JC's in Kenya volunteered as observers/scrutineer's for the recent election under the United Nations. However, their prophetic beliefs are that the UN is going to be the direct forerunner of the most evil System of the Antichrist in a new One World Government. Their theological beliefs ar
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Some interesting suggestions for avoding the infleunce of evil taken from a book I am reading currently called "The Lucifer Effect... understanding how good people turn evil" written by Philip Zambardo. It is an extension of the Stanford Prison experiment. It offers sound ways of combatting "group think". Resisting Influence Prepared by Philip Zimbardo and Cindy X.
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QuoteMalcolm Wesley WRESTI think, Satan really needs to rebuke David for the carelessness with which he concocts his fabrications these days.....not a "good look" at all for the King of Darkness, to have such slipshod work, in public, on the part of his children....Tsk, tsk....such an easy lie to see through and to then disprove....come on Satan!!...slap this lazy son of yours into some
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Quotezeuszor The last time I checked, sir, this was called the Cult Education Forum, not the ex-Jesus Christians Recovery Group Forum. Obviously
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QuotezeuszorJack's right, Apostate: the fact that you say you can vouch for aghast means little. Please sir, give us a clue of some kind as to who the other caller was so that we can know with reasonable certainty that you are being truthful. Nothing personal, no offense. I spoke the truth when I said that Aghast was one of Dave's brothers. It seems that your thoughtless action is
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Quotezeuszor If you are such a great friend of David's why do you still decide to remain anonymous, why not let him (us) know your real name? It is called wisdom and freedom of choice Zeus. QuoteJack What has Zeuszor accomplished? I think you know the answers to that just as we all do. I told you what I thought had been accomplished. What do you think has actually been accomplis
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QuotezeuszorI think the REAL reason that more (most) exJCs have not come forward has nothing to do with me or anything I have done; it is because deep down, there is a part of each of them that still believes in DM and the "special" mission of the JCs. In the JC's Dave would condescendingly tell people what their "deep down" thoughts were. He still does it, even to tho
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Quotezeuszor Hey aghast, if you really are McKay's brother, please tell us the first initial of the first name of the first person to call Alice McKay, the person who called her even before I did. Give us some kind of hint, if not an initial, give us something. Can you do that please, so that we can know you are genuine and not one of McKay's drones?? Take it from me Zeus. It is on
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Aghast... I completely agree with you that you, your other brothers, and your elderly mother are to be left alone. Zueszor in no way, as far as I am concerned, represents the sentiments or overall approach of ex members in deaaling with, and exposing of, the Jesus Christians group. His actions are the actions of a "loose canon" rolling all over a deck blasting holes in things indiscri
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QuoteBlackhatHere is one of the saddest threads I have seen on the JC's forum. David is really candid about his lack of what Paul in 1 Corinthians 13 calls "charity" or "love" (agape), what Buddah calls "compassion". He grapples with the concept and wonders why he doesn't feel it. The only time he gets a feeling is when it's grandiose and feeds his
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It never ceases to amaze me how much my friend Dave can twist words. He has now made me, the most vocal opponent of Brian's posting of Alice's communication with him, out to be one of the strongest supporters of it. No matter what tune is played for you Dave... you just ain't gonna dance. I realise you need to say what you are saying in order to portray me in the worst possible
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QuoteBlackhat I neither support or condemn what Zeuszor has done, but I do believe he is some kind of agent for change in David McKay. As I keep saying, the Lord works in mysterious ways..... Do you mean like the tale of Shimei in the old testament (see 2 Samuel 16:6 - 13)
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Anyone who questions the moral credentials of the religious or political establishment is seen as a threat to their power over others. One does not have to be violent in order to be seen as a threat. Is that why I, and others have been banned from the JC forum Ross?
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QuoteDogmother Apostate, what is wrong with delving into Dave's background? I, for one, thought it interesting as well as emotionally painful thinking about her. She is not being exploited by us. I certainly would not stand for it. Zeuszor is not selling the story to the tabloids. This is our forum and we ought to love Dave's mother, as she seems to be one of us. You are of course fre
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Quotezeuszor The Mr. Lowe bit was an attempt at sarcasm, Mr. Kyoo. Why the sarcasm? Quotezeuszor Do you want to see McKay exposed and stopped, or not? Not at the expense of principles of fairplay and transparency Quotezeuszor I'm sure that we'll be hearing all about it from Dr. Evil's camp soon. I am sure you will. And if he complains about it... I will agree with hi
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QuotezeuszorThis was done with the blessing and under the counsel of a couple of Concerned Mothers, who of course will remain anonymous, Mr. Lowe. Why do you call me "Mr. Lowe"? QuotezeuszorWe know what we are doing. With respect, I am not so sure. QuotezeuszorAnd yes, I told her exactly what I was going to do, that I was going to write a kind of article about it. She did
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Zueszor, at risk of upsetting you again. I do not think it is appropriate for you to be speaking with Dave's mother. There is nothing to be gained from doing so, apart from Dave reframing the contact in a negative light. I also do not think his children would appreciate you drawing their grandmother into this when they have opted to remain out of things. I am fairly confident that if you
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