Thanks ******* Dave is explaining his actions on the Quaker forum too BTW Thanks *******
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And lets not forget Rachel, the adoptive daughter. Where is she? Did she or her guardians know what she was being adopted into? That she would be sent acroos the nullabor on foot? Why did she leave? what happened with Liz? No use blaming Zeus for that !!!!
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And Rachel left in Australia or US, detaching herself from the adoptive family according to reports.
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Unclear about this. Were Liz and Rachel recruited/ adopted? Who was the girl from the orphanage in India? St Vincent de Paul is Catholic charity.
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QuoteapostateThese articles provide evidence of how much of a control freak David McKay is. I agree Apostate and it was ctystal clear from the Fox film that he was manipulating those young people. He also lies. His claims about group members being pacifists is laughable. Aggression and animosity takes many forms. Physical aggression is one form but inducing mental anguish is another. So
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'......is free to have his own opinions, but we have asked him to apologise publicly for stating as fact something which was only hearsay," Dave McKay said. "If he does not do so, we will sue for defamation."
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Extract from 'In its latest newsletter, the cult brags about organising 12 kidney donations, including two in Australia, one in Israel and nine in the US. "There have now been two operations done in Australia (where it was necessary to feign long-standing friendships to get them approved)," the newsletter says. "(But) none have been done in the UK, where anonymous
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Extract from guardian archives Jon Ronson Guardian Saturday April 6, 2002 It is mid-February 2002. Dave tells me that he has invented a woman called Anita Foster and has created an email account for her. The fictitious Anita is writing to influential anti-cult groups in the UK, such as Reachout Trust and Catalyst. She says she's a concerned mother whose son has joined the Jesus
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Extract from article posted by DM at above site A so-called cult expert in Australia (David Millikan) in a television report, expressed shock that The Family (formerly known as the Children of God) were encouraging people to masturbate. But he did this at the same time that he showed no concern at all about his own denomination (The Uniting Church) supporting homosexuality and adultery. He
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QuoteGladitzoverQuoteQuotematildaQuotecultmalleusYes, I agree that this is the allegation. From what I know and understand of Dave McKay, he is more than a little inclined to sensationalise and exaggerate. I would like to see and hear the evidence from both sides. I read somewhere that Reinhard had his eyes open and could see but that he was unconcious? Is that possible. Yes, I also bel
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Quotecultmalleusmatilda, from what I understand, Reinhard (a JC friend of Joe's) was seriously assaulted by at least one member of his family to the point where he could have died. Yes, I agree that this is the allegation. From what I know and understand of Dave McKay, he is more than a little inclined to sensationalise and exaggerate. I would like to see and hear the evidence fro
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I am so shocked to hear that even though the trial took place, the family have now been charged with assualt. I think a few of us here should submit some information about the provocative nature of this group. any thoughts? I dont condone violence but I think the next trial needs to be fair.
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Hello Jack, Are you still laughing there? Dave is really going places spiritually with this one!!!!! Must admit it is the most ludicrous publicity stunt I have ever witnessed. Pathetic. However I gather that the picture of the young man alone may be the young 18 year old recruited in Long Beach. He is fresh in and also got whipped. Mind blowing, what that experience could do to a youn
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Some pictures here of Dave being whipped
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QuoteapostateQuotecultmalleusThis has been posted on the RR forum before, but it really is an amazing little film that certainly has relevance to us JC survivors. I was pointed to it by a friend. Absolutely Brilliant Malleus. I reccommend it to everyone here. An excellent summary of the strategies used by DM and other cult leafers to manipulate unsuspecting idealists. Thanx cultmalle
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Extract from 'Note that these unscrupulous folks at last visit had a Javascript email address harvester running on their homepage, so you may wish to alter your email address in your web browser before visiting them.'
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QuotecultmalleusThere's some interesting posts on the JC's own forum. Notice the pattern here with Fred's thread where it get's too difficult even for all the JC's together to properly deal with him, so they resort to a childish insult and stop responding. They start out by demanding responses then ignore him when they don't like the responses. They can't han
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QuotesnugglesWhy won't David John Mckay apologise? Considering he attended the Quakers Evening on Christian peacemaking, it is a mystery!
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That article has been on the rickross site for years! McKay made some of these statements in a live GMTV interview. Another extract Extract from Sinister groups that take over the lives of their disciples Daily Express (UK), July 14 2000 available at But one of its basic rules is that members have to break contact with their families and friends. They are also expected to hand
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Extract from Independent article available at ' Cult holding boy offers to swap him for access Independent, The (London), Jul 17, 2000 by Paul Lashmar THE LEADER of a religious cult that is believed to have abducted a teenager said yesterday he would appeal against a decision to make the boy a ward of court. David Mackay, an Australian who leads the Jesus Christians cult, said he
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QuoteGladitzoverQuoteQuotesnugglesWhat on earth is going on here. Let me get this straight. This Dave Mcay has three kids who have left the Jesus Christians? -Who are now adults with their own lives and maybe even families of their own. Yes, he has 3 children who are out of the group. They want nothing to do with him but would like contact with their mother. Last I heard their mother is not
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QuoteDave McKay So, how about it, people? Can you come up with an answer which treats the goose and the gander equally? It's a great opportunity for everyone on this thread to be consistent for once. Or is that too much to ask? Does this mean you are plainning another televised public flogging ? What about Debora? Never heard of Dave having Jon as a middle name. Possi
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QuoteDave McKayDJ is a nickname for me, since my middle name is John. Jack knows that because his daughter was a member of our community for a number of years. Perhaps, Jack, you could start the ball rolling by telling the shocking story of two visionless hippies who joined the Jesus Christians, got married, and were sent off to college to become a nurse and a doctor? Those are 'facts
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QuotemuppetQuotematildaScusi! questo e en Italiano! Interesting link Matilda, what does it say? It seems to says that the JC's are a schism or schismatic (how do you say that?) of the children of god. Here is an article in English. Very long, 3pages so watch for the tabs at pages end. Here are checklists written by sociologests and scholars.
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Scusi! questo e en Italiano!
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Not just on the streets! On www.amazon.com Zion Ben Jonah's (DM ) book 'Survivors' retails at $6.99 The Spanish version costs more. This dude has also attempted a condensed version of the dictionary! Easy English series. Here is the editorial from amazon site. 'Author Dave McKay won a trip around the world in 1962, as the U.S. 'Newsboy of the Year'.
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Extract from JC Newsletter . 'The media has shown some interest in our connections with freeganism, and Dave and Cherry are being featured in a short film being produced for the Film and Television School in Sydney. A student newspaper editor will also be visiting with Dave and Cherry this weekend with an interest in writing about our style of education through literature. Dave
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QuoteapostateLooks like he is on a good income source with the Quakers. It certainly explains his smoothness on their forum. Funding for loans for African refugee air-fares. Interesting. Matilda, is there anyway the Quakers could be asked directly? I am sure they would be forthcoming with this type of information. How are these following people reached: "Ray Corbin, Peter
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