This posts relate to a situation in Kenya. The posts date from May and September 06. They can be found in their entirety at this link for the Yellow Pages Kenya Getting Betty Back! by Malcolm Wrest I'm looking for the contact details for Fred and Jane Njoroge, mother of Betty currently in the company of the "Jesus Christians" I am a former member of the group who......
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Hello, True. If Dave wanted to show any REAL Christian leadership he would address the painful issues. Why is it that he encourages discord? Why is that he shows no compassion ? Apostate's heartfelt post mentioned CORBAN. Dave has not responded to that charge.
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QuotecultmalleusDave endlessly makes mythology to make followers believe they are doing wonderful things. The truth is that Dave thinks he's a great writer, but he thinks the publishers of the world and the editors of newspapers fail to recognise his "brilliance". Out of frustration, and seeing how succesful the COG's were at making vulnerable youth into servants, he mad
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Yes Malcolm. Berg wrote the SEVEN ways to know Gods Will. The Word referred to the entire Bible as interpreted by Mo. For Dave , The Word refers to the red lettered words of Jesus as applied by himself.
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There is a group under discussion here, who were founded by an American called Dave McKay. If these the McKays you are enquiring about, you will find interesting posts on this board, including some from members, ex members and from the leader of the Jesus Christians. One thread Australian cult, anyone recognise this Other thread Kidney cult now whipping each other and Blacks
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QuoteJoshQuotematilda If Josh has no interest in joining, nor any involvement with the group, then his preoccupation is bound to raise a few bushey eyebrows here. Perhaps its Mel Gibson scouting for some new film idea? Ha ha. No I'm not Mel Gibson or in the employ thereof. I can see how it seemed like I had a preoccupation with the JCs to you guys since I just showed up here with a l
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Hello LexiSmiles, So you left after the trial week with your money intact. Now that is a reason to smile! Who did you spend the week with?
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QuoterrmoderatorJosh and Fran may post here, but within the rules they agreed to. I am deeply skeptical about Josh and don't think Fran really wants to do much other than attack people and rant. Surely not. :shock: If this is the case then I have to admit to some amusement. Has coaxing ever really worked with any of us in the past? I have my own questions as to Josh's preoccup
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QuoteJosh I did notice that your list of complaints all had to do with Dave. If the group didn't have Dave in it would you guys think it would have been a group you could have remained a part of? I'm asking the people who are still more in line with their theology I guess. I wouldn't expect apostate to join in proslytising for a religion he doesn't beleive in. Do you guy
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Congratulations Apostate! Your style is quite unique, legible, fathomable and often entertaining. Todays post , for example, was really funny. Dave has a point about style. For example, you rarely, if ever, include drivelly, inane or cliche ridden phrases like ' I am damned if I do and I'm damned if I dont' 'You cant have it both ways guys' or ' You se
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Hello Josh, Gosh, what a lot of posts in the last few days. Apostate posted a list earlier and a few of us added to it. I was about to post it, but see that Apostate has posted it again today (Thanks Apostate) . I suggest you read it, as it may assist you in your mission to establish the reaons you are looking for. On the other hand , you may have read them all. If so, you appear to be tryi
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It is positive that members and ex members are talking to one another here. Am still trying to track info on the two items mentioned above In the meantime, I have read the JC entry on Wikipedia Here is an extract from that entry and it appears to have been submitted by the JC's themselves. I think it would be interesting to hear the experiences of people here (both current an
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First Second In it he refers to an article from the Australian Here it is Legal bid to close book on reluctant detainees' stories. By Rebecca DiGirolamo, Jane Fraser. 29 July 2002 The Australian English (6 of 8)28/05/2006 6:15:42 AM (c) 2002 Nationwide News Proprietary Ltd LEGAL moves are under way to censor a book detailing the experiences of detainees at the
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Unfinished post there! Does anyone have any info about : Refugee issue and article mentioned by DM Assualt on British policeman mentioned by DM trespass and an Angleton Jail? (Not sure if this is connected?)
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Have found a few links about the this refugee issue but they are unclear and have very little info one dating back to 2001 about someone called Dave in jail in Angleton, Texas.??? Are these about
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Not sure if your request was meant to be posted here on the forum as it seems to be realted to the Admin of the board. However you did mention 'delinquent, hostile or renagade sources' What do you mean by these loaded terms?
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Thank you. Links from the Quaker forum Have not read all of it yet, Comment to follow.
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Nhill folks are usually friendlier than Horsham folk but they were probably just curious. Nice people generally. Did you mean to say they gave you a strange look or was it a strange book?
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QuoteKingTutQuotejason25yes he is a jc, he's not king tut, he's king david. he maybe banned from posting as dave mckay but he he can join up under any other name Actually you may want to get your facts straight before you accuse someone of being Dave, when they are not Dave. Shame on you Jason, calling King Tut Dave. :x Apostate was correct my name is Glenn and im not a JC.
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Welcome. You are very welcome. You have a very interesting point of view. What exactly is it that bothers you ?
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Malcolm, I am sure that you are quite right to flag up the sincerity with which the JC's engage in Dave's 'stunts' and it is sincerity and altruism that characterise the majority of rank and file members. Could you tell us more about the walk and other events you were involved in?
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Thank you Dogmother, If anything at all, this illustrates clearly that Dave should let Jesus do the parables. QuoteDogmotherDid you guys already see this..... Behold, a certain young maiden did often times and at strange hours greatly desire a pizza. This would often happen in the second or the third watch, when home delivery was not available. At such times there would be much weeping and
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QuoteDogmotherHow many of us are there? Head-count someone, please. Ahem! Where? Venues A summit in Kathmandu? With all those scenic falling rocks? Provisioning food there may be trickier than at your local Wal Mart or Kash n Karry. A table at that new restaurant in Kenya? Cute, if you like safaris! Texas anyone? Sydney maybe? Joking aside, it is a super idea! Matilda says yes. Invite the
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Malcolm, Extract from Nullabor walk article from Oz IN TROUBLE AGAIN They first came to our attention during the 1981-82 Christmas season for the literature they were distributing to young people in Perth . We reported on them in June 1985. A group of young people, including a 12-year-old girl from India, walked across the Nullarbor, and were nicknamed the ‘Nullarbor Walkers’.
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Dave's preoccupation with family of members and ex members is just an avoidance strategy. He shifts the focus and avoids commenting on the issues raised here. His 'granny' post is a distraction from the real issues- renouncing Berg or commenting on the open question about Berg's Holy Holes. Now, he says we may all be Apostates or all Matildas (!!) forgetting to mention that
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QuoteMalcolm Wesley WREST Dear Matilda, I applaud for your efforts on the JC's site and the very fact that David sees fit to attack (who he thinks is) you, bears testimony to the quality of your efforts here. Thank you Malcolm. i would also like to thank everyone who posts and read here including my agent, consultants and of course my lawyer. (While I don't actually know w
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Thanks to Malcolm and Apostate for confirming the existence of COG literature in the Jesus Christians over a long period of time. A few levels of membership are availabe to the Family (COG) faithful and much of the literature was written for Disciples Only (DO) who were a committed part of the revolution and sent their tithe to World Services in support of Family missionaries. As recently as 20
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Dave has commented on my posts, claiming that I am Leisel and attacking her on his website. A word of advice, make some attempt to get your facts straight when making wild guesses about a posters identity. I am not Leisel. You got it wrong. You owe her an apology. It does demonstrate his strategy. Dave believes that the best line of defence is attack and he tongue lashes his critics (an
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A reminder of the lengths he will go to (The Fox program again) Like Berg before him, Dave has nothing but contempt the likes of you and me.
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This is a strange one. It contains a letter which appears to be addressed to David Freelance. Again it comes from the Crossfire archives at www.newdaynews.com and can be traced there by searching the archive and using the posters name, subject or date and time. 'NewDayNews Crossfire Re: NO ONE CAN!! By:YOU CANT STOP THEM!! Date: Thursday, 27 March 2003, at 12:41 pm In Res
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