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Extract from today's Daily Mail Enslaved by the cult of sex...for 25 years By CELESTE JONES - More by this author » Last updated at 10:51am on 13th July 2007 Born into an evil cult, called the Children of God, sisters Celeste, Kristina and Juliana Jones were abused from the age of three. Torn from their parents, their childhood was dominated by the warped cult leader David Berg.
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Not without my sisters is No 1 in Australia. Top 10 non-fiction books NOT WITHOUT MY SISTER 1. Not Without My Sister - Juliana Buhring and Celeste Jones 2. He'll Be OK - Celia Lashlie 3. Sophie's Journey - Sally Collings 4. The Simpsons Handbook - Matt Groening 5. 18 Hours - Sandra Lee 6. Simple Essentials: Chocolate - Donna Hay 7. A Long Way Gone -
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My old post This is a repost and with thanks to the original poster. Quoterrmoderatormatilda: How is this link relevant to "Jesus Christians"? Rick, thank you pointing out that error..I meant to repost this link but somehow posted ' sinner man ' instead. Cant remember if it was caused by the last glass of wine or maybe it was divine intervention?
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QuoteJack Oskar LarmSomething I found of interest for ex-members and for those needing a little more encouragement to get out of the JCs. Kind of funny... :D that is great.... yes that is all they are ..... booksellers!! and they are not even aware of it.
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This is a repost and with thanks to the original poster.
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It is in the introduction or editorial to the book. ' My name is not Zion' it says and explains that Zion is based on a character called Tsion in Tim Le Hayes bestselling book which Dave contradicts. It goes on ' there will, I believe be truth in this book which you have never read elsewhere. It is my firm conviction that I have been inspired by God as I have written it
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The link to Ash's Anatomy again I heard that Dave is afraid that someone will steal his identity. Can you imagine.... Two Daves!!
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Dave McKay Member since 14-Aug-05 230 posts 03-Jun-07, 04:49 PM (EDT) 2. "RE: From Intended Recipient of J.C. Kidney at Toro" In response to message #1 Extract from Dave's latest post at LDO When someone makes a genuine offer, they DO want someone to "take advantage of" it. I assume you are talking about someone unworthily receiving a kidney, and yet I se
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THIS IS AN EXTRACT FROM DAVE"S POST on WELIKEJESUS about THE TORONTO HOSPITAL DECISION This is kind of jumping the gun on the ABC documentary to be aired on Monday ni ght's "Australian Story" (when the general public will be able to hear the story of Ash's battle to help Sandi get a kidney, and Craig, Nick, and Kate's efforts to stop it). After nearly
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Well said Jack, I'm not too familiar with L Ron but have to agree on the 'shoddy fiction' tag. Yes it does deserve an award for worst book of the year. Hello Ashwyn, With one sweeping judgement, you have just implied we are all paranoid because of a comment from one poster ....or is that comment evidence of a sense of humour? Perhaps you agree that it is a lot of f
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Well the JC's do expect to rule the world. They intend to divide it up and rule over different sections. Dave may be expecting this to happen in the same time frame as the Family who expect a major event next year. The Family deny this publicly. They also denied their predictions about 1993 and about the fall of America. Well they will carry shovels to bury us with after they kill
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'This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.'
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Would he take you back? I think that Dave would have no choice but to accept you. Perhaps he would send you to the JC brat camp for a while, so you could do a Nullabor walk while fasting or something until your humility was tuned. I say go for it! Don your sackcloth and ashes and go in beating yourself with a cat of nine tails! Dave would be impressed with a bit of self flagellation, especially
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A new revelatory memoir of life inside David Berg's web, written from the perspective of 3 2nd generation sisters; Kristina, Celeste and Juliana. Not Without My Sister review by D Brannick "The hero is the one who kindles a great light in the world, who sets up blazing torches on the streets of life for men to see by" -- Felix Adler Not Without My Sister What a
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According to this author you should stay away from them! THEIR PERSONALITY TRAITS: [ size=7]from a site about relationships called 1. SUPERFICIAL CHARM -- the tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, and slick. Not in the least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. He never gets tongue-tied and has freed himself from the social conventions about taking turns in
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I agree with you on most points and especially that it would be interesting to compare subjects that you consider more similar in nature. Who would you suggest as a suitable subject to compare Dave with ?
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QuoteashwynHi Matilda, I understand that you feel that there are strong similarities between becoming a member of the JCs, and being a victim of this conman. I personally feel that the representation of the situation would be inadequate unless certain clear differences were highlighted also. For example: X convinced people to take out large loans on the pretext that he would pay them back
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Cultmalleus said Matilda, Those articles are chilling and very relevant. Dave is not quite as expert as Hendy-Freegard but the techniques and responses have many similarities. It shows how emotionally vulnerable people can be manipulated no matter how intelligent they are. Yes Cultmalleus, they are chilling. Emotional vulnerability is a universal condition occurring at some point or other
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Quoteapostate I joined the JC's because they were going in the same direction I was. I was interested in their free work programs because I saw that as meeting ideals I believed in. I was not aware of ALL their beliefs when I joined as that would have entailed too much effort. I liked the camaradarie that was represented within the group and enjoyed the appeal to my ego their beliefs th
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Good book Apostate. Did you 'join' the JC's? Were you aware of all their beliefs before you gave up all your ambitions and dreams to become a member? OR were you unwittingly seduced and recruited by a glib conman who persuaded you that your entire family were your worst enemies and that the world would hate you because of your commitment? It can be difficult for ex members, espec
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EXTRACTS FROM JC NEWSLETTER This post contains the writings of David J McKay EXTRACTS 1. FROM JC NEWSLETTERKidney Donation Sabotage Attempt At the moment, we have bad news to report from Canada. Ash had been approved to donate a kidney to a woman with kidney disease, and the operation had been scheduled, when someone complained to the hospital that Ash was a member of the n
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Any reputable journalist interested in speaking to JC critis should be able to post their contact details here. No reputable journalist would ask Dave to supply these and he should not have made that request.
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I should have added in my lat post that the phone was either engaged or was not answered on the documentary. Interesting that Dave appears to conceed to Jon Ronson's request that Casey inform his mother. Dave was prepared to do that in order to retain good relationships with the journalist. The end he was seeking was some positive press clippings.
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Here is an extract fro Jon Ronson's article Blood Sacrifice. Casey is 23, and joined the group only in 2001. Like Susan, they decided to donate after Dave sent his email. I telephone Casey in early February, three weeks before his scheduled operation. "Have you told your mother?" I ask him. "No," he says. "Why not?" I ask. "If she's opp
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Apostate, Your interpretations of Dave's teachings are accurate. Following yours and Malcolm's post I would like to add these to the treaty of charges. David McKay encourages recruits to deal with relatives and deter them from speaking the truth about the group to the press. In many cases, this has involved recruits being used in strategies including emotional blackmail of clo
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Some say that the five defining characteristics of a destructive cult are : 1.) a leader demanding total authority, 2.) the use of "controlling" techniques, 3.) social and physical isolation, 4.) extreme or fanatical behavior, and 5.) secrecy and deception. A critical examination of the Bahai Faith would probably show that it does not display many, if any, of these characteristics, alth
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Saul had his defininig moment on the road to Damascus. Malcolm experienced the JC version of that defining moment on the phone from Tallangatta. Malcolm has already forsaken all but Dave was not satisfied. Dave wanted more. He wanted Malcolm to engage in some emotional blackmail which would give Dave control of malcolm, Malcolm's mother and the press . Malcolm wrote about his night in T
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Correction My last post relates to 2005 not 2006
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