Thank you; I'll look at that right away.
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The Scriptures simply do not support a "peace at any price" or "hands off" position. False teachers like the McKays, and false doctrine destroy people spiritually. Please consider the pastoral epistles where Paul calls out the false teachers by name. Read about Hymaneus (sp?), Philetus (sp?), and Alexander (1 Timothy 1:20). We can also look at 3 John where Paul calls
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Once, in the spring or summer of 1994, I was in a class that Tamal Krishna Maharaja was giving. He told a story that I thought was quite nice, and which I remembered. It was about a little boy who saved his allowance money all year long to buy his father a tie for Christmas, who in his naive little-boy mind did not think to himself that his father has a closet full of ties, and that the allowan
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Thank you for bringing this information, matilda, This makes me very happy, to know that David has been defeated in this instance. It fills me with joy! And I'm not trying to preach, but I just want to thank the Lord for being so wonderful! Get thee behind me, Satan! "My greatest joy in life is this To find in Him my highest bliss Oh praise His Holy Name He's so
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Pathetic. He is a terrible liar. He thinks the whole world is involved in a conspiracy against him. What a paranoid idiot.
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Psychologically fused to her leader, in a state of mindless obedience and childlike dependence, in the sense of approval-seeking. Same as Cherry, I think.
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Christine DUNN (Formerly MCKAY) Age 53 DOB: 19 December 1970 Daughter of David McKAY COG name "Tabitha" Original 1982 Rappville Christian. Dropped out of Casino High school. One of the participants in the Nullabor walk when she was 15 Married to Robin DUNN on 26 July in 1986 in Kerala, India. Studied Nursing at Deakin University in Geelong. Last known to be residing in Kenya.
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Would be interested to see how McKay instructs the > daughter in question to act...Full blown abusive > communication and refusal to give her parent any > access ... Snidely cheap revenge is McKay's > 'bread'n'butter' after all... Yeah, that's Christine aka &
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Happy belated 53rd birthday, Christine! I never stopped watching from afar!
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That would be Christine (wife of Robin) the daughter in question, yes?
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"Happy and I'm smiling Walk a mile to drink your water You know I'd love to love you And above you there's no other We'll go walking out While others shout of war's disaster Oh, we won't give in Let's go living in the past Once I used to join in Every boy and girl was my friend Now there's revolution, but they don't know What they'
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Shoot. I'm an idiot for thinking that occasionally > posting here helps ex-members or those looking to > get out or in the process of being sucked in... It's called confirmation bias, aka Tolstoy Syndrome. If somebody wants to believe in something badly enough, then they're going to bel
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"$85,000 in aggravated damages for defamation after the defendant, in a YouTube video with thousands of views, maliciously claimed the plaintiff was a devil worshipper who 'openly supports Lucifer'." Spencer v McKay [2023] VCC 2238: ;
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matilda Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just had a Captain Cook at this judgement on > Spencer v McKay. It is longer than the Murray > but worth posting. > > > > > > Spoiler alert : Spencer won case. It looks like David owes Ms. Spencer eighty-five thousand dollars, plus he must remove the defamatory content from th
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And you. OK, so I did my homework. Pages 70-71 and 151-152 of Henry Doktorski's "Eleven Naked Emperors" deals specifically with Chris Butler and SOIF. There it is.
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“.....it’s probable that from now on, all the money that Jesus Christians obtain from selling books, pamphlets, dvds, etc., will go towards McKay’s legal bills......" Hhhaahahahahahahaha...Fah Kyoo, David. :-)
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XKRISHNA Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you for this, but what is a Captain Cook, > please? Aha, I see, a brief inspection. Well, what is the bottom line in this, please? Did old Dave finally find himself on the losing end of some litigation?
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Thank you for this, but what is a Captain Cook, please?
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Thank you kindly, friend. You are right: some things are not cite-able and one just has to take the word of the person who is reporting the information, that it is accurate. I never doubted your words, either: I just wanted to be able to look at the "idiots" quote in context. If you ever change your mind about the book, I will hook you up. Peace be upon you.
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Hey man, I was not trying to be argumentative or anything earlier; I was only seeking clarification. No hard feelings, I hope? I have none for you. Tell you what: send me an address in a private message, and I'll send you a copy of "Emperors" as a Christmas gift. I could probably even get you an autographed copy. And I agree, though I have no direct personal experience wit
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Attached to this message is a photo of Chris Butler (in the middle, right behind Prabhupada) which was taken in Los Angeles in 1970 or 1971. Prajapati passed away a few years ago, so I cannot ask him about the details anymore; I cannot ask him to clarify the date. On the far right is Prajapati, and the devotee on the far left is named ARJUNA. This photo is from Prajapati's personal collec
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The book "Eleven Naked Emperors" by Henry Doktorski contains some very interesting passages concerning Chris Butler and his followers, FOREST. I want to draw your attention specifically to page 70 of that book, which quotes Chris Butler as stating emphatically that Prabhupada did not appoint anybody in particular to be his successor(s). Pages seventy and seventy-one of "Emperors&
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XKRISHNA Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > FOR ANYBODY WHO IS INTERESTED: I can help you get > the twelve-volume set of Henry Doktorski's books > (the ten-volume "Gold, Guns and God" series, > "Killing For Krishna" and "Eleven Naked Emperors") > for fifty percent off of MSRP for the rest of the > month of D
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > XKRISHNA, thousands worldwide. At least 2000 more > like 5000 last I heard. Many in Poland, Southeast > Asia all through the Americas. Most are > uninitiated since Butler is a recluse now. Many > are completely unaware of anything more than they > are part of a "yoga" group and pay t
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How many people are part of this cult, all in, do you reckon, FOREST? In other words, how many initiated disciples who are members in good standing do you reckon Chris Butler has? I reckon they would number in the low hundreds, but you would know better than me. What do you think?
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Then does it not follow that anybody who would read all 800-odd pages of this thread, study the information it contains, and STILL get involved with SOIF is also an idiot?
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Well yeah, I agree, FOREST: if your own guru calls you an idiot, and you know you've been called an idiot by your guru, and you stick with him and still call him your guru despite the insult, then you ACTUALLY ARE an idiot. I mean, let's be frank: some people are not that bright, and some people REALLY DO want to be told to do and want their lives run for them. Some people REALLY ARE
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Wait a minute: jagardguruchrisbutlercansuckmyballs.com is a dead link. It links to nothing. Can you please post a live link to that quote that you posted, so that those of us who are interested can research the matter? I'd sincerely like to learn more. Without proper citation, FOREST, you are doing exactly what the corrupt-assed GBC did, and does: presenting things without presenting
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I'm not down with ISKCON anymore, same as you're not down with SOIF anymore, dude. But unlike yourself, I'm also not an atheist today. You are an atheist, and good for you. And I am not here to preach my theism to you (nor anybody else, for that matter), so I'd be grateful if you'd not preach your atheism to me. I am not here to argue with people. And thank y
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PS: I am on your side, FOREST. Please do not misunderstand my intentions in being here.
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