Dave can be demonstrated as a fraud with respect to his account of his supposed COG days, which I shall now demonstrate to be largely fictitious, taking into consideration of course the fact that COG did not keep records. There are so many holes in Dave’s story, in the time lines, that when one takes a closer look that the only conclusion that one can logically come up with is that Dave is pretty
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Rick, when I figured out about the connection between "the Shakahola Massacre" and the McKay group, I fairly freaked out. I did not vomit, but I got sick to my stomach and could not eat for about a day. It got to me, man. It affected me, this realization. I don't pay much attention to the McKay group anymore for reasons pertaining to the maintenance of my mental health, but I m
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Mark my words, Rick. I know Dave's teaching like I know the back of my hand and nothing good can (or will) come from it. "For the most part, my record will speak for itself, both in showing my authority from God and in showing my ability to take criticism. But the bottom line is that I am here because God has given me a job to do, and I must do it. I'm not here to promote mysel
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Well, I've studied his teachings very thoroughly and suicide, self-sacrifice, "crucifying the flesh" and the like is a recurring theme. Dave seems to believe that he is one of the (Biblical) Two Witnesses and that he will one day help rule and reign over the earth with his Virgin Army. He believes that a starship will take the Jesus Christians to heaven. Once onboard, the alie
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OK, I'll leave it be. But mark my words, Rick.
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Malcolm, I hope to God that I am wrong here, but I really, in my spirit, feel that Dave is not going to die of natural causes, one way or another. And I am scared to death for that reason.
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hmmmm... > > I've been fortunate enough to have been introduced > to a gentleman by the name of Mwangi Muthiora > ...with whom I hope to have ongoing 'intetesting' > conversations about David McKay and his cult's > activities... There was a truly fascinating deba
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You know, Malcolm, I live less than 200 miles away from one of Dave McKay's brothers. I am sure it's Dave's brother because this man posts old McKay family photos to his Facebook page, from time to time, and I see them. I'd love to go meet this man and speak with him about his brother, but he would most likely not be willing to speak with me. And I would not really blame hi
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"My friend Dave is a good person at heart; he is simply making bad decisions right now. The light of God still shines through Dave, but had we eyes to see! We are obligated to point this out to him prayerfully in a spirit of love, while holding hands and singing Kumbaya together. Yes, we who take the ethical high ground shall use logic and reason to show him the error of his ways, and he
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Yes.
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XKRISHNA Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Look, I take no pride in what I am writing and I > am hardly saying snidely "I told you so!" to > anybody. But I've followed Dave McKay and his > antics for over twenty years, I always thought > that he was a dangerous narcissistic predator who > was going to get people killed by his
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Look, I take no pride in what I am writing and I am hardly saying snidely "I told you so!" to anybody. But I've followed Dave McKay and his antics for over twenty years, I always thought that he was a dangerous narcissistic predator who was going to get people killed by his teaching, and I've been proved right. And today I am messed up over this. Last night I barely slept,
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kithi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A lot to say about the ' cult' label. > > That word might confuse some people, but the > crucial issue is whether a group has a positive > or negative impact on its members and on society. > > Does it help or does it harm? My God. The first and main thing that impressed me when I
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kithi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > 'Australian Christian group fights claim it was > linked to leader of Kenya starvation massacre > doomsday cult > Kenyan parliamentary committee report finds Paul > Mackenzie, held responsible for more than 400 > deaths, was ‘influenced’ by Australians Dave and > Cherry McKay, wh
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Malcolm, for years and years now I've been saying that I'm scared that one day people are going to die as a result of the McKays' influence, that I saw a mass suicide or some other horrific catastrophic event on the horizon for them. Well, it looks sadly like something like that DID recently happen, and I hate to say that I'm not really shocked. Have you seen this; are you a
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I myself am not a former member of the McKays' group, nor have any of my loved ones ever been involved with the McKays' group. So I've never been directly hurt by this evil man nor any of his agents. But I met the Jesus Christians over twenty years ago, right after 9/11. I nearly joined, but when I met them in person they scared me pretty badly and I've followed them ever s
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Like, I am sure that Tulsi Gabbard is not a complete moron. She is an Army officer and former Congressperson. She's not a dummy; she's not an idiot. She has an above-average IQ. But she is thoroughly psychologically conditioned and heavily invested in Chris Butler, and so I understand why she, for example, stays with him and SOIF. Either that, or she's even more cynical and op
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XKRISHNA Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > How can one not listen to or read through the > > above transcripted lectures, be they private or > > public, and not see a completely fanatical cult > > leader? Only somebody who is thoroughly psychol
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How can one not listen to or read through the > above transcripted lectures, be they private or > public, and not see a completely fanatical cult > leader? Only somebody who is thoroughly psychologically conditioned and heavily invested, or else of very low intelligence, could not see that. In my
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Dave McKay teaching the Bible to a bunch of people who are barely adults (after all: Dave likes to target the young) is like giving a baby milk to drink, that's been touched by the lips of a serpent. Milk is good, but if some poison gets mixed in then the milk will make one sick, and maybe even bring death. The teachings of Jesus are undoubtedly nice, but when they decorate persons of a m
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It's as if Howard Hughes got religion and started styling himself as a guru. What an eccentric and demented man Chris Butler is. Thank you for these quotes, Culthusiast.
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Do Chris Butler's disciples call him "Srila Prabhupad"?
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Wow, thank you. Can you please show us some examples of an "idiot" or "idiots" quote, friend?
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Culthusiast Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > XKRISHNA Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Good Lord. I see that. And let's not forget > > Chris Butler's rantings about AIDS and > "faggots," > > either. > > > > > > > In the available transcripts of 10
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Yes, David, I follow Jesus myself, or I at least try to do so. Yes, I am formerly a part of ISKCON but I believe that it was the teachings of Prabhupada which led me to Him. In explaining the following I am not trying to preach to anyone; I am only trying to explain myself and my position. I am sharing my realization. I consider my opposition to you to be obedience to Jesus. Get right wi
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh...and of course, all kudos to the good Ms > Spencer who was had the tenacity to follow this > matter through an unenviable court process. She > has bravely displayed genuine leadership in > confronting McKay and I sincerely thank her. As do I. As far as I know, this is the first time
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“I am more humble than anyone, even my own guru.” Yeah, I'm sure Chris Butler is very proud of how humble he is. Much like Dave McKay.
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What a total nut, this Butler.
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Good Lord. I see that. And let's not forget Chris Butler's rantings about AIDS and "faggots," either.
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quotesman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cult I am rolling on the floor after seeing your > latest poster, ‘Hey Kids Cults can be fun’. Ha ha > ha. > > > > > Famous Chris Butler quotes, maybe you can use them > for your online guru service: > > “ You are all demons, you are just like f###king > ISCON, Your all
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