Fran I've met face to face, but I never met his wife Kim. The man in the photo looks a lot like the man I met in spring or summer 2002, just older. I am fairly certain that that is them, 99% certain. And yeah, Massimo himself is part of a cult, one called TFP (Tradition, Family, Property). So no wonder he's such an apologist and enabler.
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Malcolm, I am pretty close to certain that "Felipe and Lisa" are Fran and Kim, using different names. They are pictured in this article from last year. I just found this. It makes sense, seeing as Fran was born in Argentina. It certainly looks like them.
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Francisco Gonzales would be around forty-eight years old today. He was born in Argentina. His wife Kim would be about the same age as him, a bit younger. He's been with the McKay group since 1997. I do not know when she joined, but the two of them married in late 2005. So she must have joined some time between 2002 and 2005. I do not know their present status, if they are still marr
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cultmalleus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The "grievance system" is the way to ensure > conformity by Dave enlisting everyone else to > peer pressure the odd one out and to enforce > starvation ("fasting and prayer") as punishment if > they do not conform. Unity and loyalty are > absolute imperatives. Intelligent
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No, I am not a former member of the McKay group. I nearly joined, in the spring of 2002, during the period in which "Kidneys for Jesus" was being filmed. When I went for my trial week, Robin and Casey were away from the group in order to donate their kidneys. This is what Sue explained to me, at the time. So I went for a trial week, but I thought they were really creepy and abruptly
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ummm ....thanks for posting up the material ... > certainly a tragic development in Kenya ... the > deliberations in the Kenyan Senate (or elsewhere) > identifying the Jesus Christians as a contributing > element to the depredation of McKenzie would be a > more telling link, I feel...
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At least organ harvesting was ruled out, upon autopsy of over 100 Shakahola corpses. The thing I remember the most clearly from my brief time among the Jesus Christians from more than twenty years ago, was how SKINNY they all were, especially Sue. Sue looked downright malnourished. Gee, where do you think that MacKenzie got ideas involving excessive fasting?
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You have blood on your hands, David.
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"Don't worry; we're not going to kill ourselves" says the McKay group:
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OK. I have no criticism of the project per se, just with how you are going about things. I will PM you now. Thank you.
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This looks great, Forrest. May I please offer a word of constructive criticism to you, as you go forward with this book project?
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The only other time I can remember Dave apologizing to anybody over anything, was the time he apologized to Annette sixteen years ago, for calling her a liar about why she would not donate a kidney. It's rare for Dave to ever apologize for anything, but it is not without precedent. I AM paying attention, Malcolm. :-) Blackhat Wrote: ----------------------------------------------------
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Wow, Dave apologized for his misbehavior. This is a rarity.
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Malcolm: what is your take on exactly how Paul Mackenzie was influenced by the McKay group, toward carrying out this mass suicide/murder? How do you see the connection, please?
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What do you give the chances that Cherry and/or Christine will one day "see the light" and leave David's association, Malcolm?
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Please tell me about David's consort Cherry, Malcolm. Do you see her as his chief disciple and partner in crime, a co-leader of the McKay group, or do you see her as more as his victim? If you see her as a victim, then do you feel sorry for her at all? Or do you think she is as evil as her husband is? Personally, I think she's just as evil as her husband is, and that their relatio
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PS: Malcom, as you probably know David's parents were officers in the Salvation Army, part of the leadership of that organization. So he was raised in a group too. He's been at it for virtually his whole life. :-)
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You are welcome, Malcolm. Yeah, his mother once told me that he's always been like that, and only got worse over time. Her name was Alice. May she rest in peace.
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Hare Krishnas have a teaching which says that milk which is touched by the lips of a snake, is just as poisonous as the venom itself. In other words: hearing some piece of truth from a person who is insincere or has impure motives, is just as toxic as hearing a lie. This is taught in order to impress upon the devotees the importance of being careful of who one learns from, but it's also a go
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What do I think has led DM to become progressively more and more removed from reality over the years? It's a combination of things, in my opinion. First, I think that he was probably a non-neurotypical person in the first place. I think that DM is a man who could be diagnosed as being on the autistic spectrum, probably Asperger's. If DM were to undergo a neuropsych battery and an fMR
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Curious, Malcolm. Jesuschristians.com was offline for some time, and the Teachings were not readily accessible for that reason. But it's back online now, and the teachings seem to all be there. Please see "Fasting without Ceasing," "No Fatties in Heaven," and other of McKay's teachings about fasting and weight loss.
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Hare Krishnas have a teaching which says that milk which is touched by the lips of a snake, is just as poisonous as the venom itself. In other words: hearing some piece of truth from a person who is insincere or has impure motives, is just as toxic as hearing a lie. This is taught in order to impress upon the devotees the importance of being careful of who one learns from, but it's also a
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OK, Malcolm. To be fair, "my friend Dave" is not an exact quote from Craig. The exact quote, posted more than fifteen years ago, is: 7. I do not intend to be "far removed from DM". I have never claimed to be his enemy. I am his friend.
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks XKrishna, > (I here agree with you, that the 'sensitive and > ethical' approach once championed by Kevin and > Craig (among others) on these pages, has > completely failed to moderate McKay, a single > whit...) > You are welcome, Malcolm. My pleasure. Yeah, tha
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Also there is this, a link to live proceedings from the Kenyan Senate:
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Do you mean this, Malcolm? chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/
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Yes sir. It's about trying to save lives, Rick. Nothing less. That's why I am doing this, and have been doing this. I could not care less about attention for myself.
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OK, Rick, I will comply. But please let me just say that I've got a lot of information about the McKay group at my disposal; I have many electronic files, a dossier of information on the group, its history, biographical information on the leadership, all that. To any interested researcher who wants it, please send me a private message and we can discuss getting you these files.
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XKRISHNA Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "For the most part, my record will speak for > itself, both in showing my authority from God and > in showing my ability to take criticism. But the > bottom line is that I am here because God has > given me a job to do, and I must do it. I'm not > here to promote myself in opposition to
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