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6 years ago
happytown
Actually someone posted 'Words of my Perfect Teacher' on youtube. It took me two seconds to find! It is here:
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
DKR is a well known Tibetan Buddhist lama, nicknamed 'The Assassin' by his students. He has directed movies like "The Cup" and was the subject of the hard-to-find-for-free but very interesting documentary "Words of My Perfect Teacher" Below are his comments from August 2017 regarding Sogyal Rinpoche: *************************************************************
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
More information here to help people make an informed decision. "Unethical hypnosis in destructive cults"
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
This is very sad. After looking at how Mooji's 'invitation' seems to just be using 'yes-sets' and trance induction, I came across this article about the danger of amateur hypnosis: I don't have all the information and I'm not making any allegations. The information is useful for those who do know to decide for themselves. I accept I am biased and susp
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
Reported yesterday, I'm told that a member of Mooji's group living in their centre has taken their own life this week. Very sad. No details yet but hope to get some soon and I really hope this bursts the bubble. But experience tells me probably not.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
Thanks Pattyduke, I agree one should definitely not join a cult! :) Unfortunately those people who live in what mooji people call their "close sangha family" are in no position to "take what resonates and discard the rest" as you say.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
"I just now ordered a copy. the price does not seem high for a 500 page book." I agree- I just bought five books already this month and haven't finished one yet. Still got the Guru Papers to start!
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
I hear they make a lot of money from the gift shop and that they are very careful that people don't put on their visa applications that they are doing volunteer work, even though he has a small army of westerners working for him for two months there each year.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
New book out- link here Can't find any reviews online really. Does anyone know if it's good? Janja Lalich is sharing it on her Facebook page. It's too easy to click 'buy' on the kindle store so I'm making sure it's worth it first these days.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
Arundasi, can you investigate that more? I don't think he charges when in India, although maybe that's just when they are in rishikesh. I checked on this and the standard party line is that "they couldn't find a venue big enough to house them in Tiru", although there are rumblings of vague political issues that aren't very clear. The same issues are apparently hap
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
Thanks that's very helpful! It's so frustrating, just how people could fall for this. I feel so stupid for the all tricks three gurus/groups pulled on me, and now to see this in action is anguishing, while it now seems so obvious what a big game this all is. Some good friends enthralled by this nonsense.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
So Mooji is apparently branding his process as something called "The Invitation" now. At first, I couldn't really see what the difference was between his talks/guided meditations and this new product. But on closer inspection he appears to have just introduced 'yes-sets' (actually they start as 'no-sets' and then turn into 'yes-sets') into the conv
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
Mooji has apparently chosen not to go to India for the first time in many years this year. No information given, but I'm reading more and more news reports that even in India (see article below about Mooji and other Western gurus) the tide is turning. "“What’s common to , other than their outlook on rule-free spirituality, are their thick passports, and their even bigger travel budge
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
I actually had to scroll up and check I hadn't written this myself :) What am I realising is that having an extreme reaction to psychological manipulation is much healthier in the end than most peoples reactions. The games these groups play require a 'stable' mind that will justify, rationalise and normalise what is unjustifiable, irrational and unacceptable. And there is no way
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
6 years ago
happytown
If you wanted to do an analysis of the psychological pressures being placed on people (note the public shaming of the lieutenant at the beginning) then this video really shows it the best I've seen so far: Note the extreme tension at the beginning and then how it is slowly lifted into euphoria and people professing their devotion. It's quite hard to see this kind of video now
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
Here is a quote by David Godman, the writer of so many books on Papaji, Mooji's "guru". Many of which you can no doubt purchase in Mooji's gift shop. "David Godman said... Anonymous, and others In the years I spent with Papaji I never once heard him say that any of his own devotees were 'jnanis'. Though he declared that many people had experienced 'e
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
In 2011 his ashram referred to as "the land of Mooji and Radha": But how many who live there now have even heard of her? Not many I bet.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
There is a great distinction made in Joan Ross and Michael Langone's book: Cults,What parents Should Know, between Harmful and Adaptive Conversion: Adaptive Conversion - The convert is motivated primarily by internally generated searching. - The new belief system is at least relatively open and tolerant of other views. - The convert’s critical faculties remain intact or are enhanced.
Forum: Coercive Persuasion and Undue Influence
6 years ago
happytown
Horowitz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > please, do you know if Mooji is married now and > have a children and a wife in Ashram. Have you > heard anything in Ashram in Portugal during your > visit. l would like to know more about his > personal life.... > > Horowitz I have been told that this woman: named Radha (given that na
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
Agreed. The important thing to note is whether the process of "heart opening up" etc is in some way specific to the group and the person, or whether it is a natural by-product of intense relaxation caused by (either well placed or misplaced) faith and trust and a sense of safety. Because such an intense and euphoric relaxation experience can then leave one open to be less questioni
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
There is no evidence to suggest Papaji would support the way in which Mooji is behaving. And of course you're right, Papaji also set himself up without any sense of being legitimised. "Surely justifiably" is not based on any evidence. But there is a lot of freely available evidence into the subtle and not so subtle techniques of mind control that pray on the naive and vulnerable.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
"Papaji" denouncing his descendants
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
Okay, I will quickly consider these. Really it's clear to me that Mooji is an open-ended spiritual group/New Age/new-religion, but not a cult. It’s important clearly define each word here I think. But just for starters, we have to distinguish between a cult and a destructive cult. Mooji is clearly a personality cult based around devotion to that man. And many decisions and life choices of
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
Thanks - that Captive Minds video was very interesting. There definitely seemed to be parallels between Osho and the Mooji place. There is a big picture of Osho in the church hall that Mooji uses for his meets. But no evidence of people with machine guns guarding him :) I did more research into Mooji's claims of lineage. He is descended from an Indian man called Papaji who has a few weste
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
Thanks very much for the clarification. Is Lifton saying then that thought reform is potentially positive, even within the context of a group fulfilling these 8 criteria? I'm asking because 'thought reform' sounds like a very neutral term (you could say the US army engages in thought reform during boot camp)- whereas these 8 criteria seems inherently negative as I read them.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
happytown
I think when analysed in conjunction with Robert Lifton's 8 criteria to define a destructive cult, it'S the best way to decide whether it's a cult or not. Good to watch these hypnotic sessions online and any closer contact with Mr. Moo with these in mind: 1. Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately,
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
7 years ago
happytown
Hi does anyone have any information about Mooji? There are few things on here but nothing recent. There doesn't seem to be much online. At first I thought I was getting a lot of benefit from watching his videos online. But more and more I'm starting to feel it's more of a trance effect. But all the content is free so I can't really see what the point is? Unless it's fe
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
7 years ago
happytown
I'm in therapy after experiencing extreme trauma from time in a spiritual group. A few people have recommended this EMDR for trauma. But my therapist said for this kind of complex emotional trauma its not really effective. Does anyone have a second opinion or experience on this? Can't move most days. When I do get out of the house I return triggered and exhausted. I'm slo
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
7 years ago
happytown
So I've been involved with three spiritual groups, and they've all ended badly. But thousands of people in the groups are happy and flourishing. I've been drawn into these groups by a need to belong. I have a tendency to be a know-it-all and have suffered group attempts to "bring me down a peg or two". I've been accused of "resistance", and if I would
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