I am responding here on Rick Ross to a blog written by Andrea on the desteni cult forum. I would like to respond on their forum, but I am blocked. I think that RR must be getting to the desteni cult, because Andrea's complaint was that RR is a cult. She went on to sadly and somewhat pathethically try to make her point. Rick Ross is here to gather information and expose cults, (to me at le
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Doubt. It has to be there among these members. They have to ask why others (friends, family acquaintances) don't agree with them. I have often wondered about desteni cult's members thoughts towards the doubts they have. What do they tell themselves? Maybe if desteni cult was actually doing something for humanity, then that would help the doubt go away. But just sending alot of money ov
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This may be one of the saddest posts that I have read on the desteni cult forum. This epitmizing my feelings that the desteni cult indeed does encourage it's members to distance themselves, if not cut off ties all together, with their family and friends. Read on: “My Mom Did Not Greet Me On My Birthday”! My Mom and Me Within My Process When i was with my mom, i noticed that my tone of v
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It seems as though the desteni cult (bernard) has really called out the troops for this latest avalanche of 'antihate' posts. I understand this is common in cults – the leader directs members to defend them. I find it very difficult to make any sense of the antihate posts. But my main question is: WHY are they wasting so much time on those with alternate views? Are they concerned
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Thanks Sandman. It's like an onion, the more you peel back the worse things get. (Not a very good analogy, but I hope you get the idea) I think it has been well established here and on the desteni cult website that they have gone from money making scheme, ie pyramid scheme, to where they are now. Once bernard met sunette that seemed to set into motion the portal, and from tthere, 'H
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Thank you Sandman for the numerous resouces that visitiors to the forum can read and see the truth about desteni cult basically robbing their members blind. If I may I would like to address (briefly) the latest topic on desteni cult forum. It's God. Now I know that there may be 'believers' and 'dis-believers' on this forum. I am a believer. God has guided me throughou
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mikanike23, I would also suggest seeking help from a psychologist or a therapist. I see that you wrote about a week ago. I hope you have found someone to talk things over with. But please know that you are in the right place, you seem to realize what the group did, and that it wasn't for you. That's the first and most important step. The best to you mikanike23, please feel free
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Thanks Sandman for bringing these blogs by Merutos and references to Robert L Fitzpatrick to our attention. It was very informative. It's clear that bernard is making alot of money illegally, while those members under him are not, and paying his way! Does anyone have any ideas of how we can stop this idesteni nonsense, where the members are paying 10 of thousands of dollars for the id
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Thank you all, for your support and kindness. I have been keeping an eye on desteni cult forum. As you know by my posts, I am very concerned and disturbed at the way desteni cult looks or views the family. I always have, but after reading 2 posts in the last few days, I am sure that the goal of this cult is to distance and ostracize the member's family and friends. I have witnessed this
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Thanks Sandman for the breakdown of gian, darryl, and bernard's threats. I would like to take gian's analogy to McDonald's and share my feelings. Many people worldwide like McDonalds, they are very sucessful, these would be three huge differences. 1. McDonalds is liked worldwide - desteni cult isn't and has no chance of it ever 2. McDonalds Is sucessful - des
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Me again .... I was again searching for the outlook of the desteni cult on the family and parents in particular and came across this: This is exactly what I am talking about. The fact the bernard thinks that my husband and I are evil and he seems to know better than us of what's best for our child ...well it just blows my mind. He goes on to say that if we (parents a
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Today I was thinking of desteni and it's 'set-up'. It is very much like a 'self - ____' group. I can't use the word 'help' because desteni cult does the opposite. But that's how they are selling themselves. bernard has all the answers, so his followers believe, and follow and obey whatever his thought of the day is. 'anti-hate', self honesty
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Two things that I've been pondering: 1. desteni seems to have pulled out the plugs on the anti-hate campaign. All the members seem to be encouraged and coached to attack xfinksx video. I find this 'group alike' stuff ...well cultish, wouldn't you say. "We'll all go on you tube and say the say thing" over and over. It reminds me of a sorority o
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QuoteStoicConcernedmom83, Above the white message form where you write your post there is a bar of grey buttons that give options to bold, italicise, underline your text, to select a different colour or font size for a particular piece of text. Running the cursor over the buttons should bring up a box that explains what each button does. If you highlight the piece of text you want to display
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It has been pointed out to me, that all caps may be considered shouting. I didn't realize this, and certainly didn't intend to 'shout' at anyone reading my post. Sorry. I will try to find a way to differentiate between the desteni cult remarks and my replies.
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I'm baaaack!!!! It appears that desteni has a campaign against us "evil life haters". I'm going to do the same with part of Rozelle's writing on the subject, that I did in my previous post. I'll use caps to respond. This is from Roselle from desteni: I am able to say this with confidence because you have to be seriously possessed by your own sel
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I had to come back and respond to this one from Bastian Neumman: This is a response from Bastian to Thom. I have responded in caps. " - The next point is fascinating: You say that you 'think' or 'it seems' that 'once they have you in' 'it seems very hard for you to get out' IT IS, I AM LIVING A LIFE OF A PARENT OF A DESTENI MEMBER be
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As it seems to be the norm for desteni a message seems to have gone out to get an account on You Tube with "anti-hate" in the title and the name of the desteni member. The reason for this is to dispute xfinksx's latest video. If desteni is the one truth for our future, then don't they have alot of other things to do? Never mind combing the internet to see who is talking ag
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I find it very fascinating and somewhat comical that the latest desteni command seems to be to dispute xfinksx's videos. A call must have gone out for all to get a new acct with "anti-hate" in it and make a video. It is very disturbing to me actually that whatever bernard seems to say, all these members do. I feel as if they feel intimididated by RR and all the anti desteni
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Darryl claims the following in his rant: "MUERTOS" claims to have allegedly come across "lots of stories" about members isolating themselves from their families. I wonder how many is "lots" and why "MUERTOS" didn't back up is assertions with facts. I feel that I am able to comment on this statement Darryl. Desteni does indeed encourage and promote
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One more thing for darryl: Please don't flatter yourself with thinking you have 'world wide' notoriety. xfinksx's take-off of your coffee cup with that flowerd mug was hysterical! We all need a laugh, but it was just the 100 or so of you desteni's that thought it was funny! And all of us at RR. darryl you take yourself much too serious!
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"After a brief and breezy interpretation of the Equal Money system that "MUERTOS" has already admitted to having a poor grasp of the subject" This is a bit of darryl's rant. darryl let me try to explain, that to those of us who are truly concerned about your members, the promise of an equal money system IS breezy and a trick to keep your members in desteni. We here at
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Well, I see that MUERTOS has got darryl thomas all upset! Apparently, Muertos has a blog and a video up for less than 2 weeks, telling the facts about the desteni cult. Darryl has taken it upon himself to one-handedly 'take him on' paragraph by paragraph. None of darryl's responses make any sense, and he talks like someone who finds words hard to come by, so he throws a swear in.
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I have been reading the latest young members (ages 15-20) 'welcome' blogs on the desteni forum. If only we could speak to these young kids and warn them of what they are getting involved in. I for one as a mother, can't understand how an adult would take such advantage of an underage person. Having them open up their lives online. If you are here to see what those banned pe
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You've got that one right Sandman. Thanks
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Whether you're a parent or not, I think that the following statement would be of great concern to you: "Investigate these because in an Equal Money System you won´t be allowed to have a child until you are Educated, until you have and you are tested that you´ll be a good parent. And all abuse to Children will stop, then we will care, there will be no more Starvation in the world.
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I was researching some of the older videos and came across this one: www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DYFbJV1blM4M I don't expect anyone to get past the second page, but it's amzing that they lured people in ....
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It seems each day that I feel this whole thing can't get worse... and then I read it does. HOW could these followers feel that gambling their money away is ok. And this comes from an 'alledged' ex policman...oh and lawyer? Sad, Sad...sad
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I listened to the whole thing with angst... bernard I have a suggestion for you and the gang living on the farm if you are low on money....Get a job and contribute to desteni as you ask your members to. Why DON't you all have a job by the way? Tithing (pronounced T-I- thing) is done by the membes of a religion as an act of faith, hope and charity. We believe in God, and act on the most i
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TWO COMMENTS: Ok, let me see if I understand this latest developement. bernard poolman is the 'owner' of the desteni farm. Am I correct? I would think that where the money for this farm comes from it's donors, that their names should be on the deed as well. Afterall, desteni is for 'one and equality' 'even steven' ... so I say it's really not fair that b
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