Excellent disection of desteni cult Thom! I have noticed over the last few months of being away that some things stay the same: self-forgiveness (one should always feel quilty and bad about oneself) outlandish posts by the members (sadly they will regret one day) BALDNESS! What happened to the shaving heads for the earth, chemicals or whatever it was. And the bigge
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Come on guys!!! We can't go about what we have to do acting like this. Let's just get back on track. There are those of us, who have not dealt with any of this type of "info" before. We may seem needy to some of you, but please don't critisize each other. Stoic you are right, we all come here with a problem of one sort or another. Truthbheard, I might have some sugg
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Sandman, this is so true. I have always felt that the member's "public confessions" have welded them to destenicult. Just think of any group one would belong to, whether it be for enjoyment, (bowling, tennis,) or a social concern group, ...my point is: NONE WOULD ASK OR EXPECT A CONFESSSION FROM IT'S MEMBERS! I think not even the social watch dogs of todays society. Equ
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Well I read that we are reallly getting proactive, which is great. Truthbheard, please let me say to you: Don't beat yourself up. Their is nothing that you could have done to prevent your friend from becoming a member of destenicult. I can feel the pain that this has caused both you as a friend, AND your friends family. I would be more than happy to speak to you privately if you so c
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I read this with anger and disbelief. 3. Bad doctors – in our current system many people become doctors because this is a profession that is well paid. Thus many people become doctors not because they love to do it but their main motivational factor is money. And I hope that you understand for yourself the difference between the person who does something because they love it and the person who
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First, let me say that I agree with 'The Anticult's' description of destenicult MO as a cult. This is just another example of it Here again, is another post referring to what some would consider to be rather insulting, ignorant and off the wall post written on the destenicult forum, written by a member. In the Equal Money System, the idea of 'God' will be somethi
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Excellent point The Anticult. I guess I get caught up in the rediculousness of it all, because I find myself debating it very often 'in real time'. Thanks for making the point, bernard certainly does know what he is doing, that we can both see loud and clear.
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As you readers know, I keep an eye on the destenicult website always. Today, I was reading the latest posts, and came across one by 'Valentin'. He seems to be a very nice guy, but so misguided. This is part of his post: [u]At Desteni we are suggesting an Equal Money System where you will be obligated to work for only 4 years and then the system will provide you with all the things
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Just an observation: Both men, Kevin Trudeau and Bernard Poolman have acheived their notariaty by taking advantage of those people who are emotionally and physically needy. It's not to say, that either are 'dumb' guys. It's ashame that they have both gone from scam to scam throughout their lives, taking advantage of people, rather than use their talent to better the world,
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Don't all these scam artists sound alike! It's amazing. The mere fact that this man has 'served time' and partnered with his 'cellmate' on the outside to start up an MLM should be a huge red flag. "undisclosed" location in the Swiss Alps...why do people fall for this stuff. If you are going to take a course in anything legal and on the up and up, the com
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Well another example of the untruths spoken by the desteni doctrine. One of their main concepts is honesty. The fact that they have aligned themselves with none other than Gottfrid Swartholm, a convicted criminal on the run by the law, just goes to show how these people will do anything to get their non sensical message out. Hypocritical is too kind a word to use for bernard. But that's
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Well another example of the untruths spoken by the desteni doctrine. One of their main concepts is honesty. The fact that they have aligned themselves with none other than Gottfrid Swartholm, a convicted criminal on the run by the law, just goes to show how these people will do anything to get their non sensical message out. Hypocritical is too kind a word to use for bernard. But that's
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Hi, This is all very interesting. It is my assumption that if a business, group, or yes even a cult has to go to such extremes to keep their website and forum, WHICH IS THEIR BUSINESS, they are running from something. The law, the authorities, the truth. So bernard got kicked off of youtube because they found his material offensive and an MLM. So now he switches everything to a guy in Swe
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I would like to address the previous poster and another subject: 1. Your remarks are well taken. You have it right about bernard. I hear your frustration. The fact that he is trying to be the founder of equality for all is rediculous, and the way he is going about it, is even more rediculous. One who seems to hate his own flesh and blood (his brother) as you mentioned, seems t
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The latest assignment that the assigned members have received is 'talk about how the ems will effect all ways of life" (or something like that from bernard, I'm sure) I am always struck by those blogs and posts about parents, siblings and families. What the equal money system will do for families, is the topic of one members posts. I find it very difficult to read and absorb t
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Thanks Sandman, great points. We have all read on this RR, the posts by an ex member. I can only speculate as to why his youtube account has not been written on within the last few months. Hopefully any ex members will come here, read the info, get help if necessary and start their new 'desteni cult free' lives. Also, if they feel the desire to contact any of us, I'm sure that
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One more thing: I just got through reading today's desteni 'blogs' one about how bad we are, how ashamed we shoud be that there is poverty in this world. Another was on the 'introduce me section' of desteni forum. The writer was complaining about the US thinking it's great. Martin agreed that America was evil. They naturally think that ems will 'poof' ge
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I have to respond re: sunette's video. I am very well aware that when the teen years come, there is a big change in one's child. Rebellion, 'freshness', doesn't want to go to family functions, etc. But to equate this rather normal, (kind of HAS to happen behavior) to being drawn into a cult and having that evil man as the child's father figure, I have to dis
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To repeat myself: sorry for hogging the forum! I just got through listening to Sunette discussing the fear of parents. It was painful to sit through, but I did it. Painful, because she makes no sense at all. Sunette I ask you: When you say that parents are basically the blame for the child's problems, what do you believe about disipline, love, care? You said that generation afterge
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This article and others in the www.sondag.co.za should upset anyone reading them. If this is how bernard, sunette and esteni are looked at in SA, I can only imagine. It is my hope that this paper keeps digging into this cult and expose them for the MLM, cult that they are. Their (desteni's) forum is also very disturbing... it seems to get worse with time, and no closer to the equal mo
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As painful as it is for those of us that have loved ones in this cult, we HAD to know it was just a matter of time before bernard's sickening little brainchild had to close it's doors. But he will find some other scam to lure people in, get money and sit back home on the farm AND NEVER DO AN HONEST DAY'S WORK.
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Hi, The Hidden Magi, There are others who can speak much more in depth on the subject of desteni cult than myself. However I would like to address your aquaintance's parents. If this desteni cult member has not yet become too enamored with the cult, please tell them to try to reason with your friend. It is run by bernard poolman, along with sunette spies. They more or less hate everythi
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CALLING ALL DESTENI CULT MEMBERS!! I have (as usual) been giving desteni cult and it's members alot of thought. I ask you members: Do you still have contact with your family and friends? Be honest with yourself. I have a feeling that some may not. Why is that? Did they hassle you too much about you belonging to a cult? Did your friends just 'give up' trying to hang aound
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I guess I shouldn't be more or less horrified to go to the desteni cult fourm and read a blog about Steve Jobs. Granted the author did start out with a few sympathetic remarks towards the late Steve Jobs family, friends etc. Then to my horror, he went on to talk about Jobs making billions and leaving empty handed ....HUH? Why would anyone be so insensitive as to say, let alone think th
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Thanks Corboy and Natasha I see that there is a real concern here: I was immersed in the shit for awhile and used their forum. I see it for what it is now, I stopped because of the satanic forces (that I am now aware of) that are at work, because the material is inherently occultish. I didn't want to be a skinhead zombie. Then: I would say, the reason I kept going back to Des
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It's me again :) I don't mean to keep 'hogging' the blog post, but I just had to dispute (as I have in the past) Andrea's above blog post on RR being a cult. Andrea if you would just let me on your forum to speak my mind and you could disagree, which you do, but at least give us a chance. Why won't you? You are more than welcome to come to RR and post, we won'
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I noticed that bernard felt the need to make a video explaining Multi Level Marketing. His point: That the equal money system that he will develope will make MLM's unnecessary. You can view it on "shodashi108"s you tube channel. It is: "MultiLevel Marketing will End w/ Equal Money" I found it rather curious as to why now. Of course he is running a MLM at desteni cul
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This is a response to my daughter's post on the desteni cult forum. I tried to post it in 2 (two) places on the forum, but as I figured they banned me. I don't want to post the whole article from desteni cult here, but just to give you an idea of why I felt compelled to respond (something I haven't done on desteni cult before). In one of my post on RR re: RR not being a cult, sh
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Wisdom, were you part of desteni cult? Would you consider yourself a former member? If so, what made you decide to get out? Thanks in advance for sharing.
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As I have mentioned in another post, RR is not a cult. I first came to RR because it had posts from the desteni cult members. I have found that the posters on this forum are trying to inform everyone of what's going on at desteni cult farm. Not being computer savvy, this has helped me a great deal. For what it's worth, I have no idea who RR is. He nor anyone from RR has asked me for a
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