QuoteJust Googling Looks like Kurt Butler has serious victim mentality just like his brother Kris ... Remember, anyone, when Kris Butler accused his disciples of trying to kill him by turning on the air-conditioner too high? Victim mentality running in the family? Good point Googling. It's a similar pattern. It seems that every time old Chris got sick, he would tell people tha
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Found this on blogspot. Looks like it is not the only time Chris's brother Kurt has been suicidal. June seems to be a rough month for this guy. Oh, it's also Chris Butler's Appearance Day month! It looks like the Hawaiian police were poorly prepared to deal with mental illness and failed to provide proper supports. Another incident of incompetence like in the Sri Shim case?
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Sorry for the double posting. Thought it was an edit. So what is Butler willing to sell out to get Tulsi to the presidency? Should be interesting what the Tulsi and the gang will do next.
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Oops Butler. What to do now? Switch parties again? Back pedal into the Democratic Party graces like Bernie? Owned again. All I want for Janamastami* is to be President in 2024! *Babe in a Manger QuoteStar Struck Wolfy and Tulsi "I think there's a Democratic presumptive nominee at this point," Gabbard told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room" when
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Oops Butler. What to do now? Switch parties again? Back pedal into the Democratic Party graces like Bernie? Owned again. All I want for Janamastami* is to be President in 2024! *Babe in a Manger QuoteStar Struck Wolfy and Tulsi "I think there's a Democratic presumptive nominee at this point," Gabbard told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room" when
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Thanks Rama. I look at news media from around the world. No one is all corrupt or all pure. You have to pick and choose. It's clear that a lot of the media outlets lie or are just incredibly stupid. Most are propaganda. You don't have to agree with any one network, broadcaster or agenda. That's what cults want you to do. I particularly liked Paul Joseph Watson's vide
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And what happened to all of these great musicians on Mantra Electric? They never made another recording again. Strangely, Butler's album (and it was a vinyl pressing) "Siddha: A Very Gentle Force" and other devotee recordings such as Devavani's* were forbidden to followers. Butler devotees had one good album in Mantra Electric but were forced to listen to repetitive kir
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I can't find Kurt Butler's "suicide by shark" blog spot. It's really not funny. Seriously, I hope he gets help before he acts out on his threats. Here is a list of Chris Butler's brother Kurt Butler's blogs. But found this curious: Deepak Chopra, Medical Messiah or Madman? QuoteWWW.MadManChopra.blogspot.com Proof that the Indian-American icon of N
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Rama ~ Regarding Kurt Butler: It seems insanity is hereditary.
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STELLAR essay Ian ~ Really great. People seriously considering joining up with Butler's group can gain a lot of important information and insight here. What is difficult for people, and which puts everyone in grave danger, is our inability to distinguish between cults and a religion or an innocuous belief system. When cults hide behind freedom of religion, we must show evidence of harm
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Let's keep things in perspective. There is a profound difference between the ideology of ISIS and Butler's cult. There is no comparison. It does matter who is doing the actual killing. There is a big difference between a self limiting cold virus and a deadly, flesh eating bacteria. The Alternet piece was political and had no relation to Tulsi Gabbard's affiliation with the
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Sorry, I'm really pissed off today at this Namaste thing. So it's been an awful week. Two ass hat Islamic fanatics dressed up as Orthodox Jews killed 4 people and wounded 20 in a nice out door restaurant in Tel Aviv. Lives forever changed. It could have been me. 50 killed in a shooting at Florida nightclub in possible act of Islamic terror. It could have been a dear frie
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OK, Here's a great non-cult affiliated, no strings attached song so much better than Namaste. Another cult antidote tune. Everyday People | Turnaround Arts | Song Across America | #ArtsForChange
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Rama ~ LOVE your parody of Namaste. Wai's version kept going through my head like a saccharine, commercial jingle. I had to listen to some opera to ban its ill effects. Guaranteed, the following tunes are powerful antidotes to "Namaste" poisoning. OK, not everyone likes opera, so skip it. Or find something ripping that works for you like Rama found in punk mus
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IanKoviak Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For what it's worth—nice to see Tulsi as a > speaker at This is weird since this rally is a group of the more famous and vocal skeptics, humanists, and atheists. Tulsi is not one of them. Just read the bios of all the speakers. Maybe she's going there to meet Johnny Depp. ha. How did she even ge
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Thank you Vox for your kind words. I have a lot of compassion for Canada Girl and have been thinking a lot about her. She must be going through some kind of hell right now. I was looking forward to her advice and words of wisdom regarding how she was able to leave the cult and keep faith. Now it appears that she may have gone from the frying pan to the fire. I wish her well and hope sh
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This situation with Canada Girl is so sad. She's caught between doing the right thing by exposing abusive practices in a cult and wanting to lead a spiritual life. No one should have to make these choices, but it is not without precedent. No doubt she is a good person trying to bring value to her life and others. But she is being told to not speak ill of others who are seemingly on h
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Vox ~ That movie clip was hysterical. Thanks so much for all of the laughs. Much appreciated. QuoteIanKoviak Austerity and renunciation of comforts is part of most spiritual practice and comes with the territory. That's a conscious personal choice most make. ...there is allowance given for such extreme exhibitions of abuse, while maintaining that the pure Devotee is beyond material
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Rama~ Another question for Canada Girl is why are there no white people at the Madana Mohana Academy in the PI? Where do the elite send their kids (or grand kids)? Are they all home schooled now? How do they keep the children indoctrinated? Especially parents who work at Kailua central or "On Site" or are they all single and young? How are the rest of the children educated/brain
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Keep posting your stories! They trigger memories and get people to begin to think critically. Vox ~ Uniforms, flowers, graduation robes, and mantras do not make a good school. They have just got more slick at their deceptions. All these children, as you pointed out, are heading towards a life of slavery and injustice. Think of the Scientology schools and the Sea Org . . .
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Rama~ Great job interviewing Canada Girl! Loved the “Better Call Saul” clip. Dabs ~ Yes! I too want to know how Canada Girl escaped the cult. BTW, one exer recently told me that she really didn't know how she came to leave the cult besides a personal tragedy. Her husband left her for another woman in the cult. She said that while she was working full time for Butler on one
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600 PAGES and going strong!
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Quotecorboy Consider it possible, even likely, that other wealth and well connected cult groups are watching the Sanders/Gabbard duo. They will learn from this campaign, whether Sanders wins the White House or not. What will they learn? These other cults will learn how timid the media are, how reluctant editors and journalists are to ask questions about a public figure's true loyal
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QuoteIanKoviak It must be madly embarrassing to butler and wai lana that their son amounted to shit and meanwhile the Gabbards flourished in terms of political stance and influence. Or maybe it means nothing to Butler who the pawn is as long as he can be the hand that moves it. For any narcissist no one matters but who they can trap in their mirror. Information from the much indoctrinated
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corboy, Correct. But Bernie is not likely to dump Tulsi. I am cynical. He went to the Pope with whom he shares ideological similarities and in the same way, embraces Tulsi who represents other liberal values. He's the cool old guy appealing to the young Yoga/ Spiritual Millennial crowd... and then there is a possible connection with Willis Butler? The only way Bernie will dro
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The biggest danger is that Tulsi is unfortunately a huge recruitment source for the cult. The more success she achieves, the greater a tool she becomes - so yes, Bernie has to distance himself from her for that reason alone. But he won't. He is stuck in a self-tightening Gordian Knot. It is impossible for him to dump her without looking "Hindu-phobic" - so don't hold your
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Looks like FOIL link busted. Try this one: Exclusive "Weird Al" Yankovic Music Video: FOIL (Parody of "Royals" by Lorde)
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But seriously, for us to challenge the thinking of Rama's brother, Aloha girl, or other devotees sneaking a peek on this forum, it is very painful. First, the aggressive defenses and "auto-tuned brains" full of thought stopping arguments come flying out like projectile vomiting. But when the arguments go up against the truth and the contradictions become apparent, the pain real
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Ian and Henriji, The comparison to Yoko has merit on a couple of counts. While no analogy is perfect, it is similar to how Yoko broke up the Beatles with her formidable influence over John. Just read Julian Lennon's and other accounts of how Yoko isolated John from family and friends. In the same way, Wai Lana seems to have taken over the direction of Mr. Butler's life into ultra
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Vox~ No, I did not know that the children in the Butler group do not call their parents Mom or Dad. That idea of calling your parents by their first names was a hippie thing, but in this case I guess that it is another way to maintain control. Why not call Mom, "Hey, Egg Donor, what's for breakfast?" and Dad, "Where are the car keys, Sperm Contributor!" But no, they h
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