corboy and Vox ~ your posts are golden and full of great points. Aloha girl’s blog is still on my mind. It is doubtful she had the opportunity to read my open letter. The following is a quote from author Jon Rappoport about group thinking and the cost to the individual. It reminded me of the mind set of Butler followers and their instant rejection of all criticism of their guru. QuoteAu
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Rama, It is extremely important for cult members to compare notes with both current and former members to understand the reality of any suspicious group. If it can't stand scrutiny, then it is unworthy. We often can't put the whole picture together when we are isolated within a group. We may even doubt our own mind. I know that most exers only became aware of many SOI abuses
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This has nothing to do with religion and there is nothing religious about this behavior. QuoteRama regarding the dreaming of aloha blog: The authors have access to my “cult dirt file”, which is pretty amazing, and I am proud of it. This is the epitome of the Chris Butler gang as a cult. This is a file that they have been steadily compiling on me since I first posted to the Cult Education Insti
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Dream On Aloha - An Open Letter from the “Other People” In The Public Interest It is in the public interest to know and understand how the Science of Identity cult operates as a High Demand Closed Group (HDCG) or cult. The public face of Butler and his followers does not match up with the private faces and practices, which are not always in the public interest. Before You Were Even Born
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Well spoken dharmabum. Hopefully the forum will continue to be a place of support, knowledge, and comfort for those who have been harmed by the Butler cult. As my compassionate Buddhist friend said,"Let's turn this into a blessing."
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This is shocking if true. The research still stands. The truth about Butler still stands even if this individual is flawed to such an extreme degree. I understand the need to distance ourselves from any witness that lacks credibility. However, anonymity is also a personal and necessary choice for many people. I also do not believe that people should be pressured to reveal their ident
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Great Job Dabs & Rama!
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Cracking Up here corboy!
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Another Deluded Hare Krishna Yahoo ~ Santos Bonacci Got a big plug on Sean Stone's YouTube show "Enter The Buzz Saw" (son of Oliver Stone). "None of these American or Australian accents are going to heaven." at 25:26. At 38:30 he claims the most demoniac influences in the world are meat eating, gravity, and the globe. Gravity is not a true law. Can't ge
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The truth about the the Butler cult stands, even when compared to more malevolent cults. You are right Henry, Butler probably became virulently homophobic trying to distance himself from the ISKCON scandals and the ruling class swamis. Many of whom were either homosexuals, pedophiles, Jewish or some combination. The mistake is to malign all homosexuals and Jews with criminal and anti-socia
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Powerful stuff Ian, Henry, Rama. Thank you. Standing ovation.
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dharmabum and Ian ~ You made my day, especially Chris Butler's famous film studio and "You need a lot of tin foil to truly be happy..."
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Ha ha dharmabum! Here's another one. Remember The Prisoner, 60's television show? The white ball would chase and kill anyone who failed to conform or tried to escape the village.
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Ha! He looks like Bernie Sanders in that photo! and Old Chris looks like his Daddy Will Butler. Perhaps it's not Bernie's politics, but some strange narcissistic connection. Ha! Is he wearing jazz dance shoes? And notice how the couches and even the ball are covered in white cloth! What is he even doing in this photo!? What is he doing to that ball!?
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Rick, Your forum has been the single most important factor in the healing of many people who have escaped the cult of Butler. I have been on this forum for around 8 years and was able to forward many articles and resources to friends still suffering from their time in the cult. It has been of inestimable value in the recovery of one individual in particular, who was in an apologist daze for ye
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Anthem for Chris Butler Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda . . . Frank Zappa's classic satirical song. "What's The Ugliest Part Of Your Body?" What's the ugliest Part of your body? What's the ugliest Part of your body? Some say your nose Some say your toes (I think it's your mind) But I think it's YOUR MIND (Your mind) I think it's your mind
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QuoteIan Koviak I heard so many lecture where butler just could not get enough of bagging on homosexuals (and was made to write essays on this crap—sometimes having heard the lecture 6-10 times before, since for some reason butler just stopped giving lectures at some point). We were forced to watch completely vile anti-gay videos in the PI that left my stomach churning. They were scare-tactic vid
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Since Tulsi’s endorsement of Bernie Sanders and dropping down from a key political post on the DNC, it has really got me thinking about Chris Butler’s own political education, his unusual background, and how this all led to his meddling in politics. Do not be fooled. Tulsi does not make a move without her (smiley face) “gurudev’s” permission. I have heard it said that if one lacks a true spiri
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Fearless Leader Speaks More "Real Life" QuoteChris Butler, On Education, page 5 "I went through 12 years of school and 2 or 3 years of college and I never really ever had a clear idea of the difference between an atom and a molecule and how the cells were made up with this...Why? So what? Who cares?" "...when the CIA comes to our house and bugs our phone you bec
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I find it so ironic that when Chris Butler talks about how to educate the children, that he pushes politics and what he refers to as "real life" subjects. He tells kids that teachers are liars and history and science are useless... but politics is real. Here is a self deluded man who thinks he is the infallible representative of g0d, is the founder of the Science of Identity Foundat
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Chris Butler is absolutely behind Tulsi Gabbard's decision to step down from the DNC to support Bernie Sanders. It's hard to run with the big dogs when you have a secret agenda. Old Chris is going back to the familiar family politics. Chris's parents were died-in-the-wool, old time progressive and civil rights activists. Chris was weened on leftist mother's milk before
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Rama's link works. Carol Cox Show_ Boating Incident_ 911 Emergency Call What is most interesting to me is why did they have a minor make this call instead of an adult? Is "Leilani" her real name and if not, why did she not use her real name? If she was on the cult boat she would have had a Krishna name and not a Hawaiian name. Why? Because the cult members are forbidd
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If you are curious to know what the cult feels about Sri Shim's death and how their world view may have contributed to the reckless driving, the following quote is a revelation. It also may reveal why they are such bad neighbors lacking in "Aloha Spirit". It is a philosophical underpinning that justifies all their actions. Under the video A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad &quo
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In my opinion, Butler has kept his hidden hand deep in Hawaiian politics for decades. How devious and deep remains to be seen. The Hawaiian media and authorities need to start doing their jobs. Chris Butler Spies in the Honolulu Prosecutors Office According to sources: "Not only did Rick Reed discuss everything with Chris Butler on this, but had been as far back as 1976! Butler t
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QuoteIan Koviak Crazy development here with all of this. Hopefully the end-days for SIF and many other money hungry, attention greedy, self righteous, bigoted, duplistic, hypocritical and downright scary cults within the Hare Krishna umbrella. Amazing work and proactiveness from all of you. The air is less incense-laden out here. Breath deep. I finished watching the Bernie Maddoff movie with R
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QuoteCzeslaw Milosz In a room where people unanimously maintain a conspiracy of silence, one word of truth sounds like a pistol shot.
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Interesting to note that the ticket for driving without a license was signed by Sai Hansen 3 hours after the horrible death & dated Jan. 9, 2016. It was not filed until Feb.4, 2016 - almost a month later. Also, under EVIDENCE TAKEN AND DESCRIPTION OF EVIDENCE it was circled NO. Sri Shim DIED and his step son was seriously INJURED and all Sai got was a "ticket"!? The boat was no
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Open Letter to the Kailua Community As many have pointed out, the investigation into the boating accident was poorly done. We don't know why. Are the authorities and some media outlets complicit in a cover up or just too naive, lazy, and stupid to have done the right thing? We don't know who really drove the boat or if he was driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol (whic
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It looks like smashthebutlercult/ Exposing the Science of Identity Cult: Don't believe the lies of Chris Butler is simply a news aggregator like so many on the internet. The RSS feed you personalize on your computer is one. The Drudge Report is probably the most familiar and influential (news aggregator) counter-media site (with Matt Drudge as its curator). I don't see a problem
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Great link Rama. You, Flash, Vox, and others really busted this wide open for the media in Hawaii. Thanks. WHO KILLED SHRI SHIM? Carol Cox Show Asks QuoteFrom the Carol Cox link: January 24, 2016, Honolulu, Hawaii. Carroll talks about the death of Mr. Sri Meheula Shim, an avid and experienced surfer and diver. On January 9, 2016, he was hit by a boat in Kailua Bay and
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