Corboy, I am new to the meme theory of mind, or the concept of mind viruses. I am reading with interest all the links. It seems to explain a lot , but is it a legitimate psychological phenomenon? Does the meme theory really propose that there is no such thing as free will or is this the humanist strand of meme-ness? From watching a video about the Brethren cult I was struck by the fact t
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I saw this film about Mr Mary Joseph himself when it first came out. It is a classic in exposing evangelical Christian scams. He really did the right thing by blowing the lid off of these frauds! He had a short lived acting career afterwards. I also like Steve Martin's portrayal of a phony faith healer in the movie "Leap of Faith". Very funny! I think that movie really hel
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Quotezeuszor No, I have never heard of the JCs traveling to Hawaii. In the robes and with bedrolls, this sounds more like the Jim Roberts group to me. They have recruited in Hawaii relatively recently. Thanks for this link zeuzor. I am certain you are correct. The group that passed through Maui traveled by foot and dressed in robes and sandals. They were celibate and had that in c
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Zeuzor, I think a few of the group came to Chris Butler's farm on Maui once. There was free food for them, but no use converting one's minds owed to another nut bag! They also dumpster dived at the heath food store owned by Chris's followers in town. They walked around in robes and bedrolls --- they were more glazed over than a Dunken Doughnut! Do you know if any in DM's
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QuotezeuszorHere I have a copy of a booklet entitled "Jesus and Krsna: The Relationship," published in 1975 by CB, when he was known as Siddha Swarup Ananda Goswami. Would it be helpful if I scanned and posted it? IMO - Yes, that would be a great addition to the documents! I've enjoyed your visual archive in the jesus christians cult. Great resources!
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Hi Dassi, Thanks for corboy's take on Jung. I found it amazing how strong Jung’s critical thinking skills were at the time. While it is true that in America, popular culture had not embraced India’s gurus in the 1950’s, there had been a long interest in eastern philosophy after Swami Vivekenanda attended the World’s Colombian Exhibition in Chicago in 1893. (This was the predecessor to th
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There is no one formula for becoming a cult member, nor is there only one or two profiles of cult member types. The point of my previous post was to point out similarities with other cults and obviously bring to light the contents of the memos about poisoning by light bulb fumes and other absurdities. Those willing to rationalize their time and money away, those who become enforcers, and those
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The following letter is from Chris Butler’s wife Vaishnava dasi aka Wai Lana (who peddles yoga through public televison and the internet). It is a shrill echo of her husband’s obsessions and is reminiscent of the poisoning fears in any royal court in history. She is accusing followers of trying to poison Jagad Guru with the fumes of light bulbs! WTF?! Chris Butler’s paranoia is
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This is a photo of Chris Butler aka Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Prabhufraud, founder of the Science of Identity cult. He is seated on what is called a "Vyas Asana" that Indian Gurus preach from. This particular one was made by followers. It had a plywood base covered with hand woven lauhala, a special weaving to native Hawaiians. This seat was placed on a covered outdoor patio/ ch
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Here is more on Chris Butler's, aka Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Prabhupad, founder of the Science of Identity's obsession with his health. There is something very insidious about a philosophy that rails against being fruitful, engaging in "fruitful" activities, to become "diverted by fruitful acts". Fruitful is analogous to being alive, healthy, grow
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What follows are a series of memos from 1987 -1988. There are over 50 pages. Here are two concerning Chris Butler’s security. He was convinced that he had so many enemies that he needed 24/7 security guards. There is a story CB used to tell, and I think it has been reported on this forum before, about the guru who got his legs stuck in a lotus position. There are several versions.
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Quotehoax108I haven't posted here in a while, but I've been reading. Veracity - that letter from Prema is hilarious!!! So typical of the petty BS that goes on in that cult - and that letter is 20 years old!!! Well, I'm going to admit this to the world - I can see where CB is coming from because if I don't have a mango for breakfast, I'll cease to exist. This
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It remains to be seen if Chris Butler, aka Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda, founder of the Science of Identity cult will become the "Rev. Jeremiah Wright" for Mike Gabbard's political career -- to the point where he will be forced to distance himself from said guru, as Obama did with his long term mentor. The difference is that Rev. Wright did not condemn Obama to eternal spiritual
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Butler Maha Mantra GIMME MY MANGOES! GIMME MY MANGOES! Please note in this letter that CB's pronoun "His" is capitalized mid-sentence. An honor usually reserved when referring to God. Krishna Katha das in this letter is now Hawaii's Senator Mike Gabbard. CB is thinking... "I'm surrounded by idiots! Where in the hell are my mangoes!? Krishna Katha d
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What is clear is that someone is trying very hard to prevent these most secret documents from being posted on Rick Ross's website. These documents are the most damaging evidence against Chris Butler, aka, Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Prabhupad, aka the leader of the Science of Identity, a world-wide cult. They prove he is a cult leader. They show some of the historical structure and wo
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The formation of the SIF Board Good help is hard to find! Women are put in their place...... Big donors were getting upset about how the money was being spent, so CB set up a new policy to appease them and keep his coffers growing... The only thing he wants is money. So much for "simple living and high thinking".
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The formation of the SIF Board Good help is hard to find! Women are put in their place...... Big donors were getting upset about how the money was being spent, so CB set up a new policy to appease them and keep his coffers growing... The only thing he wants is money. So much for "simple living and high thinking".
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Who in their fucking right mind would apply!? CB would often use the tactic, "Why be here?" and threaten to "leave the planet" and thus condemn the spiritual lives of his followers forever! Such salvationist threats were his constant MO. We should have taken his bluff! LOL! Also, using CB's health as a rod over everyone's head is another cult tactic
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The following memos were sent to initiated followers in the 1980’s mostly dealing with the care and feeding of a guru. There was once a 1” manual (It’s probably a 10 volume tome these days) with details about how to fold Sir Guru’s clothing, do his laundry, how to cook and serve (genuflecting - show excessive respect: to show undeserved or unnecessarily deferential respect for somebody), recipes
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I want to add a humorous note from Willis Butler’s book, “Barbara: Memoir of a Love Affair”. To set this up you need to know about Chris’s great uncle, Monroe Elmon Dodd. From the book; “Mother’s elder brother, Monroe Elmon, starred in her childhood by crossing all his fingers over each other, waving his hands in the air and striding about the yard weeping and praying in a loud voice, after wh
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PORTRAIT OF A YAHOO GUROO: The Fool with the Toothpaste Smile "We suffer the disparity between the real and the ideal."
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This memo clearly marked “letter available to all disciples” shows CB in a false light. It shows a persona people thought they were following, but not the real person. It has already been shown that CB had no compassion for the health and well being of his followers. He may have had a heart for a dying bee, what he calls a “lower species of life” in the letter. “…I give them material care and
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Quotejust-googlingHey, Vera, thanks for posting the godly government brochure... I don't think I have ever seen these before ... CLASSIC! "Godly leaders are not showing the way to austerity but are living luxuriously..." hahahahahahahah :) CLASSIC! And thanks for the pic ... dig that hip clothing...! :) Oh yeah, you can go down the IGG brochures line by lin
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In reading these documents you can understand how a group of mostly 20-something people coming out of the 60's (Kennedy and MLK assassinations, Vietnam, etc.) would really buy into this. Here was this hip, charismatic, bold leader with the toothpaste smile from their own generation who seemed to have all the answers. He had made it spiritually. The guy went up the mountain
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SOI KILLS- Why make trouble where none exists!? Your links do not support your statements. One link has nothing to do with either the Valley Isle nor the Garden Isle newspapers. The other link only has a passing reference to VI's "Godfather" article about Larry Mehau. FYI - mid seventies can be anywhere between 1973 to 1978. Both the Valley Isle and the Garden Isle sta
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Googster, this one's for you! The 70's were a great time for guru fashions. Note the flowing Sanscrit fabrics to make any one look holy! Of course the lei accessories top the look off!
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and again... SOI KILLS- I am here posting primary historical documents. People reading these documents really have no choice but to conclude that it is a dangerous cult. Period. End of story. It's self evident. Everyone else, including you, have a place here to fill in whatever opinions or memories they want. You come here to promote your websites and your points of view. You consid
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Note- The Dear Fanatic article was written prior to CB taking on the "Jagad Guru" title and appointing himself acharya of the whole world. (cough...ack..ack...) He is called Siddha Swarup Ananda Goswami (celibate, unmarried monk) or Siddha Swarup. Most of the followers during this time simply called him "Siddha". Cult leaders seem to have a thing about changing their names
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