Regarding: Science of Identity Foundation Jagad Guru Chris Butler Siddhaswarupananda Science of Identity Foundation Cult It never ceases to amaze me how the pattern remains the same . . . What follows is an eloquent description of guru cults ~ which also fits the cult of Butler. My comments relating to Butler specifically are in blue. Excerpted from: The Guru Papers: Masks of Aut
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Any news on the the television network show on Wai Lana?
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Here is an interesting discussion on the Frum Satire website on the topic, which, by the way has some hilarious material. are-folks-who-believe-the-rebbe-is-the-moshiach-really-apikorsim
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This whole reality concept is food for narcissists. As far as the ex-cult members go, television networks could care less about the repercussions of being on a reality t.v. show. Participants will have to once again sign away all rights and have no say in what gets aired or used. Kinda like being in a cult all over again..... sigh...
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Quotehoax108I've just come across one of CBs booklets that I didn't realize I still had lying around. It's an early work entitled "Jesus Loves Krsna", by Siddhaswarup Goswami. If anyone wants it, PM me, I'll be glad to send it to you (trolls excepted). It was also posted on this forum a while back. Butler's book on Hehzuess more on J n K
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How ironic. How hilarious. How appropriate. A clip from Wai Lana's (Mrs Butler) t.v. show appears in the title credits of the Matthew McConaughey movie "Surfer Dude", a surfer/stoner comedy. She's on the t.v. in the background while a character is getting high while talking on the phone. I laughed my ass off! It's a fun but dumb movie with all the surfer and evil co
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QuotenewagesurvivorQuotenewagesurvivor There's first 30 minutes of Religulous to be seen in Google video. Sorry, that link went to the trailer. Anyhow, there's 30:53 min Religulous (2008) by Bill Maher to be seen at least in my country in Europe. It's in the list if you can see it in your country. Hi NAS, There are lots of interviews with Bill Maher on You Tube. The DVD is good
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On a similar note about “women protection” (as if they are cows) and early marriage reflected in Bhaktivedanta’s writings and Hindu traditions, Deepah Mehta's film WATER is worth mentioning again. Her film is about the practice of putting widows as young a 8 in “ashrams” forced to live loveless lives in poverty. Because of Hindu fundamentalists, she was driven out of India and had to make
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Quotejust-googlingQuoteVera CityJ.C.~ sigh... this is just nutters! Try reading my posts more carefully, or rather, refrain from reading into my posts things that are not there and stop making false implications about what I write! Find your straw man somewhere else. She ain't here. I think I would have to agree with Vera City on this argument... The movie "Reli
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It's also important for people to learn how easily they can be duped and not blame themselves. Newbies can use this knowledge to prevent involvement in a cult in the first place or to help someone who is thinking of joining one. Exers can use this information to delete every last bit of cultic programing and recover their selves again. brainwashing recovery
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No, Jason, you have just confirmed your purpose on this thread --- to again disrupt it, get it off topic, and discredit posters. In case you did not notice, ALL the references were from Rick Ross source material on cults and brainwashing. Rick Ross articles on Brainwashing The Sagan quotes reveal the flaws in your own logic, and this is only a partial list: Common fallacies of logic a
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I wrote: QuoteMany ex Butler followers have reported that as time went on, as they chanted more, associated more, delved more into the philosophy, that they began to drop some of their of their old core ethics and understandings to only mirror the gurus. They began to feel that they could no longer value or trust their own thinking, willing or feeling. Most exers recover their old values, but
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J.C.~ sigh... this is just nutters! A little history: As an adolescent, Chris Butler studied a few books on zen and eastern philosophy and met a few guru guys. Couple this with some acid trips, a natural charisma, an unorthodox upbringing (with one or both parents having narcissistic tendencies), and you've got a screwball cocktail in the making! One day Chris decided to go up
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Here's a PRIMER for these quotes from RELIGULOUS to spell out how it applies to Chris Butler: "If you belonged to a political party or social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence, and sheer ignorance as religion is, you'd resign in protest. To do otherwise is to be an enabler, a Mafia wife, with the true devils of extremism that draw their legit
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Quotejust-googlingJay, regarding the last picture you posted, which goes something like this: Boy sees girl. Boy talks to girl. Boy makes love to girl. Boy feels guilty. Boy quarrels with somebody. Boy gets strangled by snake!!! Could pictures like this have a subliminal effect on cult members and affect their lives? Does this create a religious-type frame of mind that is not very compat
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Choice quotes from RELIGULOUS TRAILER My comments are in brackets. "The plain fact is, religion must die for mankind to live. The hour is getting very late to be able to indulge in having key decisions made by religious people, by irrationalists, by those who would steer the ship of state not by a compass, but by the equivalent of reading the entrails of a chicken." "Faith
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DISCLAIMER: This post may not be relevant enough for some readers. So skip it if this is an issue. Just saw the best film on religious belief. It's absolutely hysterical! Bill Maher's "RELIGULOUS". One of the funniest and most offensive documentaries ever made. If you take yourself and your religious beliefs way too seriously, you won't like it. No one is exempt
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J.C.~ Obviously, you are here to quarrel. I am not. You still miss the point.
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QuoteJay Cruise I haven't even got to ACB saying ten to twelve year old girls should be married off and you're all already making defenses for them. Your comparisons to an old fictional manuscript and the catholic church are neither helpful nor relevant. Your minimizations of Butler and his cult makes it difficult to explain this cult to others. So tone it down and get with the pr
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Quotejust-googlingthanks, Jay, for posting the links to Srimad-Bhagavatam Chapter 5, wherein I found this piece: There is the person who, but having taken the money, the wife or another man's children away, is sure, by the most terrible men of death, to be bound with the ropes of time and by force to be thrown into the hell of Tâmisra ['the darkness'] where he has to starve, cr
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Quoterrmoderatorantarctic: What is your positition about Chris Butler and the Science of Identity group? Do you consider Butler a "cult leader" and the group destructive? Notice no response.... because Butler is behind the website. Quote Quote: antarctic The truth about Cara Cult Reporter has come out. See for yourself. I think you just came ou
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Here is an old discussion on this cult in another forum. It was started by cultreporter. Lots of interesting thoughts on the SOI cult, cults in general, and on cult busting. It's one of the few places left -- besides Rick Ross -- that discusses the Butler cult. skeptics forum on SoI The cultofbuter website is completely down, probably due to all of the lawsuits several people warned
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QuoteVera CityQuoteVera CityThese are VERY FUNNY... Check them out before they too disappear... Where's Chris Butler? My personal favorite... Chris Butler Chastises Maha Toenails These links are no longer active. Which means that Butler's minions must have been very active... In fact, Butler has teams of people watch dogging all criticism of Butler on the net. Ro
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There has been renewed interest in Wai Lana and Chris Butler of late so here's this post that shows how seductive and sensuous this cult can be along with it's dangers. It also shows the evolution of an idealistic, charismatic leader into a paranoid narcissistic despot. There is a controversy as to whether he was consciously plotting world domination and exploitation of followers fr
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QuoteVera CityThese are VERY FUNNY... Check them out before they too disappear... Where's Chris Butler? My personal favorite... Chris Butler Chastises Maha Toenails These links are no longer active. Which means that Butler's minions must have been very active...
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These are VERY FUNNY... Check them out before they too disappear... Where's Chris Butler? My personal favorite... Chris Butler Chastises Maha Toenails
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Now tell me this isn't child abuse! what you don't see on tee vee
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History of Gaza situation Background: Gaza and Cast Lead 6 Jan. 2009 History of the world An Open Letter To The World by Rabbi Meir Kahane (Z"L)
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A good blog that if you scroll down shows images of Palestinian children indoctrinated into the Islamocult. scroll down for children in the Islamocult What the media does not show you in the west and what is proudly shown in Islamofascist circles. How is this not a cult!??????
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As in all cults, it is the children who suffer the most, are used the most, are cared less about... Using children as human sheilds
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