What's the difference between this and Jim Jone's or the purple triangle suicide cults?????? 70,000 students volunteer for suicide missions Nothing, except the magnitude and scope.
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Even before Gaza air strikes - attacks on Jewish center in Mumbai was the focus of Islamocult rage... Jewish center prime target
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More Islamocult rage against Jews outside of Israel, just because they are Jews... Attacks against synagogues No excuse. No justification.
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With the recent events in Gaza, world wide protests against Israel have revealed the dangers of a modern (or retro) form of Islam, which in my opinion is a very, very dangerous pan uber cult! Genocidal Chants at Anti-Israel Rallies Worldwide.... Check out the faith freedom thread and the following report from Florida where people were chanting "back to the ovens" "your mother i
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this is even funnier EXTREME KIRUV
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I'm sorry for your loss... ... but I suppose you lost your parents a long time ago when they sold their souls to the cult ... What is saddest of all is that your family has offered you no support for both griefs; your father's sudden death, and your family's estrangement in the Butler cult.
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Note to people now afraid of posting on the Rick Ross forum. It has been brought to my attention that there is a rumor that former member ‘SoI Kills’ succeeded in getting people’s ISP’s or personal information off of this forum. This is not true. All the moderator asks is that members stick to the topic: the cult founded by Chris Butler and not on any feuds between former members. There h
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Note to people now afraid of posting on the Rick Ross forum. It has been brought to my attention that there is a rumor that former member ‘SoI Kills’ succeeded in getting people’s ISP’s or personal information off of this forum. This is not true. All the moderator asks is that members stick to the topic: the cult founded by Chris Butler and not on any feuds between former members. There h
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Go back a page to see more personal memos from Chris Butler if you missed it.
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Interview from the insert on Butler's album, "Siddha: A Very Gentle Force". There is a major typo at the end of the interview. The typesetter switched the names. It is SM and not Siddha who says: "One last question...is that you in the oxygen mask?" It was Siddha (Butler) in the oxygen mask on the album. Additionally, the person who interviewed Butler is a ficti
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From Chris Butler's failed album. The man who "falsely claims God's property"...
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Continuing with the history of Chris Butler; fraud. It still astounds me, as I re-read it years later, how people just thought this was all normal and "hunky-dorey". Another aspect illustrated here is Butler's total inability to take any responsibility for he and his wife's well being, what to speak of the so called spiritual community he was supposed to be leading. The
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Quotezeuszor Your comments (above) I find intriguing, VC. Culty "Vedic"/ISKCON/SOI culture compared and contrasted to mainline Indian/Hindu culture I find interesting to contemplate. Can you elaborate a bit on these please? To begin with: one thing that always got me about ISKCON culture was the huge emphasis on vegetarianism as an absolutely intrinsic component in spiritual life
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Quoterrmoderatorhoax108: "surrendering to and doing the will of a spiritual master is an essential ingredient of spiritual practice"? Many people that participate on this message board find this statement very unsettling. Many people have a spiritual practice without surrendering to a "spiritual master." Yes, it is very unsettling and I hope that hoax108 did not mea
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Quotehoax108Continuing with the theme of comparing CB with bona fide (IMHO) Spiritual Masters, we find: "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." - Mark 10:45 It's seems that poor CB has somehow got this backwards - not only because of his constant demands to be served but also because he holds the lives of his
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Quotehoax108 I mean, for someone on a spiritual quest, who wouldn't like sitting around and chanting with guitars with some nice people who openly talk about God and spiritual life and share some delicious food? Another big factor for me was that I was in an intimacy deprived state so naturally I was looking to connect with people who I found like-minded, accepting, and desirous of my c
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QuoterrmoderatorInteresting article has appeared in Australia. “They kicked me out and told me the house would need to be sterilised because being gay was dirty, and my father said he hoped I died in hospital of AIDS,” Justin said. This is just horrific for a parent to say this to a child... Why certain religious streams take on this dark and fascist side is beyond my understanding. This
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"A Different World" continues with Siddha's comments on his songs. He is describing the various stages of spiritual love in Bhakti Yoga. The mantra above the first page is an offering of "obeisances" and submission to ISKCON founder Bhaktivedanta. Clearly this was written prior to his declaring himself "acharya" (guru) of the whole world. Contrast this wit
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More album lyrics from "A Different World" Siddha sang these ballads like a troubador. They show the sweet, sensuous, and very romantic side of this religion that many found so appealing. His indoctrinated (initiated and wannabe initiates) were not allowed to listen and "enjoy" this album. They were only allowed to listen to chanting and lecture tapes. Chances are c
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Quotejust-googling Things seemed to get more and more absurd. So what's next? Maybe CB's insect control crew will be told to kill themselves because a fly came into his house? LOL! Or hang themselves with fly paper! Quotejust-googling My impression is that many cult members became attracted to the eastern religion via the TV video lectures. They believed that they would get so
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corboy, In following your writing about both LGAT and Syda yoga, I have found similarities with the Chris Butler cult, another Americanized Hindu off-shoot. I think you might be on to something here. Ex Butler members may have some of the same struggles with recovery as you describe. I would like to see the differences and comparisons between "a toxic patriarchal Hindu guru set up&qu
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Quotesolea13Good post vera. Worth printing out for reference, I think. Thanks. The original Singer article is well worth the study. See I didn't mean to post it here, but if other people can relate to it, then great.
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The album "Siddha: A Very Gentle Force" was divided into two sections, "This World" and "A Different World". What follows are the first two pages of the insert for "A Different World". Contrast this public offering with the private rantings of Chris Butler. Shockingly "different"!
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OKAY, HERE WE GO AGAIN... ...more Jagad Guru Chris Butler, founder of the Science of Identity Foundation, guru of the world, ranting on about his move to the mainland followed by another page from his "Gentle Force" (ack, ack) album... and then some more "problems".
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This post was mistakenly put on it's own thread. Sorry.... Just Googling, I understand where you are coming from and trying to say. From a general, overall perspective you could say that the media and cults are no different in that they try to persuade us to their point of view. But upon closer examination, you will see an enormous difference between the two, which is so elegantly
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messed up. Could this please be deleted? Meant to post this on the Jagad Guru forum. vera
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Just Googling, I understand where you are coming from and trying to say. From a general, overall perspective you could say that the media and cults are no different in that they try to persuade us to their point of view. But upon closer examination, you will see an enormous difference between the two, which is so elegantly shown on the Singer chart. See It's really worth the tim
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I realize this was posted here for emphasis. But could a copy of it at least be posted in the main thread on 'Jagad Guru Chris Butler and Science of Identity' so it doesn't get lost? Makes it harder for people to get info on the cult if there are several concurrent threads.
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I’m almost finished with the article! It's loaded with great info. See Quote”Thought-reform subjects have been punished for disobedience by being ordered to self-inflict severe pain, justified by the claim that the result will be therapeutic…” Regarding disobedience, punishment did not entail self-flagellation or physical violence in the 1980’s. (Beyond that time, others will need to r
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