Kath - Perhaps one of the best things you can do is to start a website that shares pertinent information about the cult with the UK public. If I may suggest something, it might be best not to focus on wiping out the cult per se. Cults have been a universal part of the human experience throughout human history, in every religion - pagan, Jewish, Christian, Muslim and Hindu. However, that bei
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- Here is a Legal Discliamer you may want to use. It is geared for the Opus Dei cult and US laws, but with a few minor changes it can be used for Australian cults: - Here is a Cease and Desist Letter/Order, to be used against cultic individuals when they start to harass you: - Be sure to send the Cease and Desist Letter to the local police and to have the delivery recorded. In the U
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QuoteGulab JamonOpus Dei itself probably does not tell its members to murder people. Precisely. They have proxies, like death squads, secret police and organized crime hitmen do it for them so that they cannot be traced back to the cult.
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QuotewquercusWacky fantasy. Murder, forced suicides and death is not fantasy.
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QuotewquercusOne can't control anyone through the Sacrament of Reconciliation. With regards to the Opus Dei cult, this is incorrect. Once Opus Dei cult priests grant a person reconciliation, everything that was said *prior* to that point is under the Seal of Confession, according to Canon Law. However, after the Seal is given, the pentitent is invited to "chat" for a few minu
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Quote You are the one who are expressing your own disagreement wtih Catholic teaching. You are saying one of the reasons you don't like Opus Dei and the Legion of Christ is because they support Catholic teaching. Be honest with yourself and everyone else here; don't play games. This is incorrect; Opus Dei/Legion of Christ cult operations are not a part of the Catholic Magistrum. I a
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To the reader: It should be noted that Catholics who are members of cults within the Catholic Church will often attempt to switch the criticism of the cults away from the cultic groups themselves and hide behind the Church as a whole. This is a way to avoid the difficult issues that the cults raise. It also allows them to condemn those that warn of the danger of cults as being against Catholi
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QuotewquercusThey have been dismissed from parishes they once staffed. This is incorrect, entire dioceses have banned them. Quote The Jesuit magazine America had to have its editor removed for being to kind to heresy. This is incorrect; America Magazine engages in critical thinking and inquiry, which the Vatican does not like.
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Quote He was canonized in 2002. That's three years before the Pope's death, and he was still active. This is incorrect - he was ailing for years. It should be noted that the Opus Dei cult would not let him rest in his final years - they put the screws to him to make sure they manufactured their saint. QuoteHow does one Catholic "steal" part of the Catholic patrimony?
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Quotewquercus They are banned in less than one per cent of the dioceses in the US. To be banned in *any* diocese is extremely suspect. Note the Jesuits, Franciscans and Dominicans are not banned anywhere.
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Quotewquercus "elitist cult"? This is an accurate description of the Opus Dei cult, not a personal attack on the author. Definition of ad hominem: A fallacy that attacks the person rather than dealing with the real issue in dispute The real issue is that Opus Dei is a cult embedded in the heart of the Catholic Church.
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Opus Dei, Vilified in `Da Vinci Code,' Runs Global MBA Schools - excellent article detailing Opus Dei's cultic aspects, recruiting techniques, infiltration activities, financial assets and worldwide operations. From Bloomberg.com. (April 26, 2006)
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QuotewquercusCiting small town reporters and unknown newspapers and repeating the claim will not make it true. John Allen is the only serious journalist who has investigated it all. He gives documentation. You only repeat your charge. To the reader: Opus Dei, as an elitist cult, seeks to engage in ad hominem attacks on those it deems unworthy. An excellent book on the cult: Opus Dei: A
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QuoteEscriva is not a true saint Yes, he is. His life demonstrated it and the Holy Father confirmed it. He's the one who makes that decree. Escriva, who has been described as a meglomaniac, has had a canonization which is riddled with irregularities. It was pushed through while the Pope was near death and very weak. The cult knew he was sick and was able to ram it through just before h
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QuotewquercusThe Legion of Christ and Regnum Christi work in collaboration with parishes and in union with the pastor. That's why they are welcome in so many places. This is incorrect. The Legion cult works to infiltrate and divide parishes so that they can take them over for the Legion. This is why they are banned in several dioceses.
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The Legion of Christ, like the Opus Dei cult, seeks to separate and divide parish communities so that they make infiltrate them and take them over.
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Making fun of people will not change the fact that Opus Dei is a cult.
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Absurdity lies in the eye of the beholder.
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QuotewquercusOpus Dei has members of all walks of life, of every nation. St. Josemaria's views on the apostolate of the laity were considered liberal in the 40s-50s, and were the basis for the Second Vatican Council's decree on the apostolate of the laity. Quite mainstream. This is incorrect. Opus Dei, as an elistist and extremist cult that cares only about wealth and the power it
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Since the Church does not seek to protect its own members from dangerous cults that operate within its structure, it falls on the members themselves to use their entreprenurial skills so that others may be informed of the evil in their midst.
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The Legion of Christ, like the Opus Dei cult, exists only to build up itself, not the larger Catholic community. For a Catholic cult to be banned in 2 dioceses is extremely suspect. Note the Jesuits, Franciscans or Dominicans are not banned in any diocese.
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What the Legion is engaging in is also known as cultic recruiting.
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From a fine book review: Where there is a doubt, Opus Dei is given the benefit of it. When a Spanish official fails to respond to a question about providing a clearer policy to prevent abuses of recruiting practices, Allen credits the failure to cultural differences.
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This is incorrect. The Opus Dei cult has always been part of the extremist wing of Catholicism. Opus Dei views itself as elitest and a better class of Catholic than normal Catholics; hence, by its own definition, it is outside the mainstream.
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Mr. Allen spent most of the book speaking with people in Opus Dei himself and the majority of his research was spent within the Opus Dei cult. When researching any organization, in order to gain a more objective view, one has to spend time researching outside the organization. For example, studying the SS by only studying their records will provide a skewed view of the organization.
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QuotewquercusIt is not destruction of one's body. It is a tool to discipline of the body. Catholicism is a healthy religion. This is a long established part of Catholicism, which has tremendous respect for the body, because of its belief in the Incarnation of Christ. Inflicting pain and damage to one's body for no reason is generally known as destruction and self-mutilation. It is a
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QuotewquercusIt causes discomfort. It causes discomfort via the infliction of pain; hence, it is a torture device. Quote It has a long established history in Christian spirituality. Modern peer-reviewed psychology views the self-infliction of pain and destruction one's body as psychologically unhealthy, since it shows disrespect for one's physical health. Because it was done
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QuotewquercusNot ad hominem. Ad hominem is defined as: A fallacy that attacks the person rather than dealing with the real issue in dispute Quote This is a board that needs verifiable information. To the reader: Opus Dei cult members will often respond to criticism by stating that people have the "wrong information". Here are over 150 links from sources throughout the world:
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QuotewquercusA cilice is not a "torture device," and it isn't "digging into" the person's skin. Any device that is designed to solely inflict pain and injury is a torture device. The cilice diggs into a person skin in order to inflict pain and injury. It serves no other useful purpose. Torture is defined as: something that causes agony or pain
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QuoteGulab Jamon that Opus Dei itself probably does not tell its members to murder people. The Opus Dei cult, however, does have proxies (like organized crime) that it uses to kill people. For example, Opus Dei has been tied to the murders of Roberto Calvi (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4313960.stm) and of Pope John Paul I (no autopsy done). Also, numerous "suicides" aro
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