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wquercus
Opus Dei has members of all walks of life, of every nation. St. Josemaria's views on the apostolate of the laity were considered liberal in the 40s-50s, and were the basis for the Second Vatican Council's decree on the apostolate of the laity. Quite mainstream.

This is incorrect.

Opus Dei, as an elistist and extremist cult that cares only about wealth and the power it brings, seeks members from the upper classes. The exception to this are the so-called numerary assistants, who are essentially female slaves cooking and cleaning 14 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Escriva is not a true saint, since his sainthood was purchased, manipulated and rammed through the Vatican by Opus Dei cult members. Escriva stole his writings from St. Francis de Sales "Introduction to the Devout Life":
"In The Introduction to the Devout Life, Francis de Sales offers profound advice for the person living in the midst of the world and wishing to pursue a holy life. Francis felt that all people in all walks of life are called by God to a devout life and that this type of living was possible and wonderful."
[www.desales.edu]

St. Francis de Sales was the basis of the Second Vatican Council's view on the laity, not Escriva, who has been described as a meglomaniac with severe emotional difficulties.

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This is incorrect.

Sorry, but you are wrong. It has lots of ordinary folks as numeraries and suprenumeraries. Your claims do not change the fact.

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Escriva is not a true saint

Yes, he is. His life demonstrated it and the Holy Father confirmed it. He's the one who makes that decree.

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Escriva stole his writings from St. Francis de Sales "Introduction to the Devout Life"

Ah, so you admit that his teachings are perfectly consistent with Catholic tradition, then? When Catholics speak the Catholic faith, they aren't "stealing" it from the saints.

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St. Francis de Sales was the basis of the Second Vatican Council's view on the laity, not Escriva

St. Francis certainly said a lot about holiness in daily life. He didn't write of the unique lay apostolate, which is secular, and which is a means of sanctifying the world, and which is rooted in baptism and thus does not need to be supervised by the hierarchy. The prior model for lay apostolate, Catholic Action, saw the involvement of laity in the world as directed by the hierarchy, and as a share in the ministry of the hierarchy. St. Josemaria said no, this was the laity's distinctive vocation.

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Escriva is not a true saint
Yes, he is. His life demonstrated it and the Holy Father confirmed it. He's the one who makes that decree.

Escriva, who has been described as a meglomaniac, has had a canonization which is riddled with irregularities. It was pushed through while the Pope was near death and very weak. The cult knew he was sick and was able to ram it through just before he died. Millions was spent on getting the Escriva the saint title.

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Escriva stole his writings from St. Francis de Sales "Introduction to the Devout Life"

Ah, so you admit that his teachings are perfectly consistent with Catholic tradition, then? When Catholics speak the Catholic faith, they aren't "stealing" it from the saints.

No. Escriva stole St. Francis de Sales teachings and claimed them as his own.

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He didn't write of the unique lay apostolate, which is secular, and which is a means of sanctifying the world, and which is rooted in baptism and thus does not need to be supervised by the hierarchy. St. Josemaria said no, this was the laity's distinctive vocation.

The Opus Dei cult sought to remove itself from control of the local bishops so that it could do whatever it wants in every diocese in the world. In essence, it turns each diocese into a free-fire zone, since there is no accountability whatsoever.
The Opus Dei cult is completely controlled by the priestly hierarching within Opus Dei itself. Thus, the concept of it being lay is, like many other things with regards to Opus Dei, a lie.

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Escriva, who has been described as a meglomaniac

By whom? Source?

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It was pushed through while the Pope was near death and very weak.

He was canonized in 2002. That's three years before the Pope's death, and he was still active.

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No. Escriva stole St. Francis de Sales teachings and claimed them as his own.

How does one Catholic "steal" part of the Catholic patrimony? If you are speaking of plagiarism, give citations.

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The Opus Dei cult sought to remove itself from control of the local bishops so that it could do whatever it wants in every diocese in the world. In essence, it turns each diocese into a free-fire zone, since there is no accountability whatsoever.

It's accountable to the Holy Father. And Opus Dei works quite well with local bishops in most of the world.

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The Opus Dei cult is completely controlled by the priestly hierarching within Opus Dei itself.

No. Each center has a lay director.

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He was canonized in 2002. That's three years before the Pope's death, and he was still active.

This is incorrect - he was ailing for years. It should be noted that the Opus Dei cult would not let him rest in his final years - they put the screws to him to make sure they manufactured their saint.

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How does one Catholic "steal" part of the Catholic patrimony?

Escriva claimed he was the first to discuss issues of work when St. Francis de Sales wrote "Introduction to the Devout Life" hundreds of years before.

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It's accountable to the Holy Father. And Opus Dei works quite well with local bishops in most of the world.

Opus Dei does whatever they want to, without notifying or asking the local bishops for permission. The bishops have no choice but to work with the cult if they want to keep their jobs.

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The Opus Dei cult is completely controlled by the priestly hierarching within Opus Dei itself.

Each center has a lay director.

And each lay director is completely controlled by the priests of the Opus Dei cult.

One can't control anyone through the Sacrament of Reconciliation. One can only say "I forgive you your sins." That's not controlling--that's liberating.

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wquercus
One can't control anyone through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

With regards to the Opus Dei cult, this is incorrect. Once Opus Dei cult priests grant a person reconciliation, everything that was said *prior* to that point is under the Seal of Confession, according to Canon Law. However, after the Seal is given, the pentitent is invited to "chat" for a few minutes, while still in the reconciliation room. Anything that is said by the person to the Opus Dei priest from that time forward is recorded and placed in that person's file for future manipulation and mind control purposes. Unfortunately, the person is under the impression that anything which is discussed in the room is under the Seal of Confession. They are not told that the Opus Dei priest is recording what is said to be used against them at a future point in time.

Why do associates and or cooperators shadow,follow, bump, glare, stare at Catholics in Manhattan and Brooklyn? This type of behavior,on the face of it, does not seem very Catholic. Perhaps this is considered charitable works?Is this antisocial behavior related to rule 941, or does another rule apply to this behavior? Peace.

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joseph1
Why do associates and or cooperators shadow,follow, bump, glare, stare at Catholics in Manhattan and Brooklyn?

Opus Dei cult members will engage in such action so as to intimidate, harass and/or force critics into silence. They also use these tactics against those who are trying to break away from the cult. In such a case, the Opus Dei Cease and Desist Order is most useful:
[www.crcnyc.net]

The name sounds kinda like a song. But geez, I read about them and heard they are not all that bad. Just that the movie came out, you konw, about them, so everyone's giving it a hard time. Its not like they open for membership eitehr.