QuoteThe ShadowHi ON2 LF, pretty darn expensive lesson, eh? regards, 'shad' Expensive in alot of ways. There is so much more to be lost in landmarkia than money, however. If one were to measure out all the ways that one can lose through involvement with landmark, then landmark owes restitution it would never repay anyway. I can't imagine the losses to be absorbed by those
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QuoteFinancial success indeed - the only people who get that are the con-artists selling the crummy product! The windfalls today may result in horrible landslides later in life...success can't be stolen, it has to achieved.
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QuoteI guess I have a problem with people when they say that Landmark taught them something, feeling that they would have learned it anyway, without participating in Landmark/EST, and without having to "hit rock bottom" or spend to much money...ususally, when people are working on themselves they come to their own truth, without someone having to do it for them. everyone lea
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Quoteah huh, so why are you wasting your time here defending Landmark? 'shad' shadow, if you read ALL of sonnie_dee's posts carefully, you will find that sonnie_dee does NOT defend landmark at all, in fact sonnie_dee contributes alot of great information and advice to anyone directly or indirectly affected by landmark. Perhaps you interpret sonnie's posts as defending
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my opinion: when you're married to someone you supposedly love, you should not need a team of people to encourage you into making a special day out of your anniversary. Furthermore, what this guy keeps referring to as 'creating' is pretty much what happens as a day unfolds. How sad it is when you need a cult to give you permission to live a happy life with your spouse. Have these c
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Quote As a non-landmarkian, you are by default running rackets therefore whatever you think or feel is only a 'story'). If there are problems, the success is that the 'inauthenticities' are now exposed and can be 'looked at'. Remember, Landmark save people from their rackets. So if you reject landmark, it's your racket trying to save themselves. You do want to j
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it amazes how typical and same are the experiences produced by the 'one size presumably fits all' lekkie programming. Every individual experience with a hardcore lekkie seems to create the same devastation for the same reasons. They did manage to produce a blanket consequence with their 'everyone is the same' philosophy, but they have yet to master or even to grasp the reality
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QuoteWell, the you're now a "success story" on a friendship she's kept. Because that's how you'll be referred to in courses, like a sales-prop. I don't understand how she could use this mess as a success story. She tried and failed to recruit me, and failed to keep the friendship in the process. I can see being referred to as someone who was just holdi
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Quote1) Absolutely no attempts "register" friends into any programs. 2) Do not invite friends to "introductions". 3) Do not use Landmark Education jargon, or loaded language. If your Landmark Education entrenched friend can abide by these (3) rules, that might make things a little more bearable. My landmark friend uses the jargon like we use the terms
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QuoteJack Oskar LarmLoads of good advice here. I think the main point is that you can't expect change. Obviously you don't want to have a friendship based on control, and wanting someone to change is a form of control. I know this sounds harsh because deep down we want the best for our 'loved' ones. Yeah, we can see where our friends are going (straying), but they have to find
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QuoteJack Oskar LarmSo predictable, isn't it? Perhaps the reason Landmark doesn't have literature is because it would hardly fill a book. So much of their 'coaching' could be written as a pretty simple formula. But I suppose being a drone implies predictability! if they put out literature, outside of lekkieland that is, someone would have to own up to it. Deep down, th
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QuoteThe healthy boundary is what's healthy for you. Forget what Landmark drones may or may not think. Does your friend show any sign of wanting to change? You don't have to run, you can leave but make it clear that the door is still open should your friend have a change of heart. But don't make a martyr of yourself. What's healthy to me is being a friend through thick, thin
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QuoteJust the fact alone that many people used to be obsessed brainwashed zombies in one cult or another and have since done a 180 should be enough to show that there is a living breathing, thinking person SOMEWHERE inside there. For a good illustration, I highly recommend the most excellent, award-winning film, TICKET TO HEAVEN. It's available on DVD. this is what I keep concluding as
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this acting teacher has enough presence of mind to know that a landmark forum would provide the best acting class possible. Hopefully his students make note of the unmistakeable difference between a role and reality while listening to the acting teacher (forum leader).
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I can't help but wonder if there is anything left to hold onto in a lekkie relationship after they've become cold, disconnected, and aloof. Are they still the same person underneath the shell or have they really become a drone?
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Does it become necessary at some point to walk away from a person who was once a friend (or family member)but is now a lekkie? Would walking away simply be an act of abandonment?
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QuoteThe other problem is that I never got a phone call from someone ( a recent Lekkie) who avoids me like the proverbial mouse in it's hole. And no amount of me calling this person does any good. count your blessings! you must represent some type of dangerous warning label recognizable only to a lekkie. I did get that loaded phonecall from my friend and not surprisingly, things have
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QuoteAnd then Landmark, like many cults, begins to instill a sense of separation. I don't care how much they mask it by asking participants to call family and friends, at the end of the day all it causes is a gulf between them and us. The expected calling of family and friends is by far one of landmarks most heinous acts of deception against its participants. They call family and friends t
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I think I like this dream too much...it keeps recurring and recurring, I just keep seeing a dead landmark everywhere, all the time :wink:
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QuoteOn Monday I thought I had made some progress, only to have it all fall down around me on Tuesday. I spent most of Wednesday crying, because once again, I was devasted by my friend's "coldness" and lack of understanding how her words and actions are affecting me. shadow, when my friend became what you are describing in your friend now, it was like witnessing a livi
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QuoteUnless that "reality" includes utilizing unpaid volunteer laborers in an "assisting program", and violating Federal Labor Laws that 'reality' is like a fantasy they've been playing out for decades, for real. Hopefully the fantasy will come to an abrupt end when one of their victims chooses to create the possibility of law school and procee
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QuoteSorry, but that is not the reason Landmark Education pulled out of France. The French Federal Department of Labor said they could keep operating in the country - they just had to start paying their volunteers, and treating them like employees. They pulled out of the entire country within weeks. Just goes to prove how unable landmark is to survive or function in reality with real gu
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QuoteSometimes Landmark grads are funny Watch and enjoy. zombies without a clue...notice how their speeches about how great landmark is, are void of conviction. No doubt the youtube videos were intended to fulfill the requirement to use media in some way to promote the cult. Instead of getting published they get uploaded...all the effort solely for the purpose of having the privilege of
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QuotenutrinoFor the answer to that, you need to examine one of the core beliefs, said core belief being that words create being which creates reality... so based on this theory, if one "declares" wisdom... I suppose by repeatedly saying "wisdom.....wisdom....wisdom".. then, somehow, as if by magick, "wisdom" will be manifested... that's w
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QuoteThere is a wellness division that offers advanced courses costing $5,000.00 or more. Team management and leadership The Wisdom course. and on and on. . . . I'm very curious about how landmark fabricates wisdom?? How do those frauds define wisdom? It seems absolutely absurd to even think of landmark and wisdom in one sentence.
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QuoteThey are registered with the Better Business Bureau, they have adhered to all the necessary legal aspects of running a business, and they know how to create all the loopholes to protect themselves, however, they have not bargained on me! -- I am not going to sit by quietly while they use my friend to attempt to initiate me into their covert Pyramid Sales/work and not get paid scam. Joke of
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QuoteThere's no law against a group of people meeting and "having a conversation." It would be nice if authorities would recognize those 'conversations', in practice, as being conspiracy to commit fraud and to intentionally deceive and coerce unsuspecting victims into becoming deployable drones for a ruthless organization. It's unfortunate that the conspi
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QuoteON2 LF- You nailed it on the head. Well, if I were a city by-law officer I'd be pretty insulted to know that some scambagger outfit was operating right under my nose, making huge profit while doing so and not reporting its business activities as the law requires. Maybe this is why it is so important for landmark to infiltrate legitimate organizations/businesses and/or police organ
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QuoteUPDATE; I just spoke to another friend of mine. She said one of her friend's got sucked in by Landmark and is now initiating a complaint process; she suggested that as many people as possible write to : The Attorney General of British Columbia (Canada) The Honourable Wally Oppal Room 232 Parliament Buildings P.O. Box 9055 Stn. Prov. Govt. Victoria, BC V8W 9E2 and reg
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QuoteNo snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible. Voltaire I would so love to know for certain if Voltaire had been affected by some LGAT back in his day. He must have lived next door to some seriously 'indoctrinated' existential philosopher. Whatever the case may have been, Voltaire rocked.
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