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9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope: No one has in any way said that they are "against children being able to read..." This is a false argument. Please understand that this message board is not a place to promote your business. And many of your posts come across as more like self-promotion than on point responses. Attempting to attack members personally is against the rules of t
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9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope: No one has in any way said that they are "against children being able to read..." This is a false argument. Please understand that this message board is not a place to promote your business. And many of your posts come across as more like self-promotion than on point responses. Attempting to attack members personally is against the rules of t
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoteSparkyCameron Cope, I never claimed "abuse" which can mean many things in many lexicons and I don't know how you mean this word. I can say that if, in fact , as it seems from The Anticult's postings, that Bernard Poolman is the author of your learning software, and that his likewise posted statements of "mind-washing" (my word) and getting control of children e
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9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoteCameron CopeQuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope asked for "an actual, documented, reviewed case of abuse." For many of the very small and relatively new groups like Destini it may be some time before someone hurt comes forward publicly. But meanwhile reading this thread can be helpful in identifying the language, thinking and practices of the group as posted here by Destini devotees
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope asked for "an actual, documented, reviewed case of abuse." For many of the very small and relatively new groups like Destini it may be some time before someone hurt comes forward publicly. But meanwhile reading this thread can be helpful in identifying the language, thinking and practices of the group as posted here by Destini devotees. It is also h
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
Is anyone here able to show even one documented case of abuse or harm caused by Desteni or Bernard Poolman or Sunette? An actual, documented, reviewed case of abuse. Not speculation. Not assumption. Actual evidence. ???????????????
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoteSandmanThat comment of ThomDarc's was a bit alarmist. Though it does arise from the way in which Desteni communicates its ideas. Through a young woman who sounds as though she may not only be mentally disturbed, but repeating what she's been told by a much older person. As was pointed out, Desteni often remark on child abuse, which suggests that they want to empathize with youn
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
@ the anticult, sparky, sandman, and rrmoderator I am not trying to dissociate my business from Desteni in south africa. the problem here is that you have made assumptions that Desteni is a cult and are stating things are blatantly false. Some here have even posted insinuations that Desteni may be involved in child molestation which is absolutely false and is completey irresponsible on the p
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
@sparky Desteni Education would be more than willing to engage in scientific studies showing the benefits and/or results of using our software. At the moment, we are in the process of looking for groups willing to do that very thing, however as of right now there is nothing ready to be published. Of course once there is, it will be made available on our website. Thanks for the support and i
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
What I have noticed throughout my participation in this thread is that the few of the participants who are negatively critical of Desteni do not actually say what it is about Desteni's message that is actually detrimental to others. They are only using broad statements to classify Desteni as a cult but not actually demonstrating any points where Desteni is actually harmful. Lots of analogi
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
Quoterrmoderator Why is "Destini Education" called Destini? Why did you choose that name specifically and what role do Destini and Mr. Poolman play in your for-profit education business? Because I agree with the principle of doing what is Best for All. This is the directive principle of Desteni as well as Desteni Education as well as myself personally. Bernard offers his adv
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
@the anticult There is no con. I simply listen to what is being said and evaluate the usefulness of the information on its own merits. It doesnt matter what the claimed source is, see this way I never have to believe anyone just because they claim to be an expert or an authority. If the source mattered why would you be participting on this forum? from a statement on culteducation.com
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope: You say that you "do not believe that the beings...mentioned have communicated through Sunette." What is it then that Sunette is doing? Is she a con artist and/or a fraud? Or is Sunette sincere, but delusional and therefore perhaps emotionally/psychologically disturbed? How do you see Sunette exactly? You say that despite the fact that you do
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoteThe AnticultFor about 15 articles from this website about Aleister Crowley, search Google for this phrase site:www.culteducation.com "Aleister Crowley" Site search ! A Magick Life A Biography Of Aleister Crowley @the antiCULT there are also articles on Ghandi, Einstein, John Lennon, Lao Tzu, and Nicola Tesla. There are many perspectives on many people and subje
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9 years ago
Cameron Cope
Quoterrmoderator Is there any knowledge or information that has been spoken by Sunette through this process, which informs or in any way, shape or form is part of Destini Education? Not that I am aware of. The software we distribute was originally developed prior to Sunette's communications of the Desteni process and material. --Cameron
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9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope: Do you believe that "Dimensional beings" speak through Sunette using an "InterDimensional Portal"? See Do you believe such beings as Adolf Hitler, Audrey Hepburn, Nostradamus, Swami Prahupada, Aleister Crawley, Anton Lavey and Osho, have communicated through Sunette? Is there any knowledge or information that has been spoken by Sunett
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9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoteThe Anticult By the way, the description below of how a child learns language below is beyond FALSE. Learning language is NOT like a brick wall, that is a horribly wrong metaphor. The syntax, grammar and structure of human language is nothing like they claim. How a child learns language is not yet totally understood, but there are trained accredited professionals who have spent their enti
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9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoteThe Anticult QUOTE: "Desteni Education is currently conducting free Reading Diagnostic Assessments in Houston and the Surrounding Areas. Contact a Desteni Educational Consultant" What is that? Its another standard technique, where the fisherman gives away the worm to the fish for "free". Of course the worm is on the end of a barbed-hook, and is then reeled-in. Every
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9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope: No. Apple employees would not answer in that way. You are attempting to spin the answer. BTW--why are you attempting to answer for someone else? Isn't that something you previously stated that you would not and should not do? What is the role of Sunette in Destini? Please explain. Rick Ross, Do not spin my words, I said that If i gave per
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
@sandman you are presenting false information as fact. Desteni Education is a joint partnership owned solely by myself and Katherine Conklin registered in Houston Texas. It is not run by Esteni De Wet or Bernard Poolman. You may come visit us in Houston if you need proof or look up our business registration information with Harris County, Texas. Your credibility is on the line here when yo
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9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorLeilaZamoraMoreno: So Destini never does anything wrong and there is no other organization or company that exists that is equal to Destin in helping people. Interesting. That kind of thinking is often expressed by "cult" members that believe there group alone has any meaningful answers or solutions. For example, Waco Davidians, Heaven's Gate members and
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope: Bernard Poolman is not banned from this message board. Mr. Poolman seems rather outspoken about his beliefs, and Destini being such a small group, it would seem that members would know them. You appear deliberately evasive. That's your choice. But if you want to want to have an honest discussion with any meaningful "integrity," that'
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9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope: You say that "Desteni is not a belief system," but admit "that our products have not yet been peer-reviewed in any journals..." Don't you and other Destini devotees believe in "channeling" and various other "New Age" religious claims? Isn't it true that Destini is little more than a composite of such essentia
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope: You decided to come to this message and post here. The purpose of this message board is discussion and part of discussion is often asking questions. "First-hand research" is provided by asking Destini participants questions and noting their answers. If you don't like this process, no one is forcing you to participate. You did not answer
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9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoteSandmanIt appears that you are selling so-called 'educational software' as a means of promoting Desteni as a way of life and thereby quite possibly as a method of indoctrinating children. Sandman, It 'appears' that we are doing this as a means of 'promoting Desteni as a way of life' to you because you allow yourself to make assumptions and then present th
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope: You did not answer my question directly. Is Destini a belief system based upon faith or is it something objectively proven by facts and shared through education? Which is it? You say that Destini Education in Texas, "sells software to correct reading disorders and accelerate reading abilities." Is there a scientific study that demonstrates th
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
Rick Ross, You understand that I can only speak for myself. Do I believe that there is a race of shapeshifting reptilians on Earth who are secretly guiding the politics on our planet. No. You would have to ask Bernard directly to answer questions about the meaning of his own statements. I do not speak on behalf of others. I speak for myself only, using my birth name. I have answer
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
Are you unwilling to do the research for yourself Rick Ross? It is all there on youtube and on the Desteni Forums and website at desteni.co.za Are you unfamiliar with the David Icke reptilian conspiracy cults or the cults that beileve aliens are going to come back in 2012 or are sending us messages in the crop circles? Surely in your research you have come across these. As for what Dest
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoteSandmanIt appears that you are selling so-called 'educational software' as a means of promoting Desteni as a way of life and thereby quite possibly as a method of indoctrinating children. Sandman, It 'appears' that we are doing this as a means of 'promoting Desteni as a way of life' to you because you allow yourself to make assumptions and then present th
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
9 years ago
Cameron Cope
QuoterrmoderatorCameron Cope: You say that Destini is "education" or "educational," but when repeatedly asked for information about a scientific peer-reviewed and published study that demonstrates the measurable results achieved by Destini programs no one, including Mr. Poolman, could specifically cite anything. One or two Destinee participants defended the group as a &q
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