This stuff you've uncovered is incredible. Helps explain so much about one of our trolls. Thank you, AC!
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Looks like Michael Gottlieb pretty much copied, in his own wording, a quote from another highly dubious Zen Guru involved in sex scandals, named Seung Sahn of the "Kwan Um School of Zen". Is he a Miracle Man? Well, you'll never know for sure...only his hairdresser knows...as they say... (he's not, its a sham technique to avoid accountability) Seung Sahn: Zen of Animal
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WTF? Below is a quote from Seung Sahn...I could swear I just read this somewhere, where someone was trying to make people "project" onto them that they were a Miracle Worker... EDIT: It was Michael Gottlieb, the Leader of Royal Way, who basically plagiarized this quote, and just put it into his own words!! (of course, they are copying the statement from the New Testament along these
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Its truly unbelievable what these guys get away with. Its like the Zen of Animal House. If you read the code of ethics above, it directly contradicts what the Zen Guru is saying. Why? It ain't Zen Koan double-speak! Of course, they are probably trying to control some guys who want to imitate the Master, and this means "lets get drunk and screw". (maybe high on drugs too).
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The chapter on Chogyam Trungpa seems particularly germane to this thread: [A Wild and Crazy Wisdom Guy (Chogyam Trungpa)]
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Here is an online book that discusses a number of gurus and the abuses they've indulged in: [Stripping The Gurus: Sex, Violence, Abuse and Enlightenment]
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Yes, its rather convenient. Seung Sahn seems to have tried to explain away his sex with his female students by saying it didn't happen, and if it did happen in those cases it wasn't LUST and was some type of Zen TEACHING tool...or to find women he could TRUST. LOL!! that's a good one...these guys really are something else. He was a red-blooded Zen Warrior-King, surrounded b
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Oh jeez. How convenient.
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Here we go again. ..quoted in from a letter by Seung Sahn, the message is... The Guru can CAN DO ANYTHING HE WANTS, boozing, abusive yelling, sexing, RAGING, disrespecting... If one didn't know any better, they might think the real benefits of being a Guru, are the drinking, screwing, yelling, money, houses, worship, screwing, drinking... Its good to be The King...as Mel Brooks
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(Seung Sahn- Kwan Um School of Zen) Wow, some very strange developments indeed. We've had some spirited debate recently with our new Warrior Zen friend RandomStu aka Stuart Resnick, about Byron Katie and her techniques of persuasion. Stuart Resnick advertises on the internet that he practices Korean-style Zen at Empty Gate Zen Center www.emptygatezen.com He says he has been with th
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QuoteThe Anticultof course...RandomStu has nothing at all to do with Byron Katie...nothing at all. Except that his current guru wrote books with Byron Katie's current husband. There is no connection there whatsoever. I agree totally. Hee. :-)
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Holy crap, that is very surprising about Stephen Mitchell editing books for Seung Sahn!! There appear to be some others too. The Whole World is a Single Flower: 365 Kong-ans for Everyday Life with Questions and Commentary by Seung Sahn and Stephen Mitchell (Paperback - 1992) So in reality, this should be in the Byron Katie threads. That is amazing. Byron Katie and Stephen Mitchell toge
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People following this thread may want to check out the following new thread re some info uncovered about RandomStu's zen teacher and a possible connection with Byron Katie: [Zen and the Art of Organization?]
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QuoteThe AnticultOne area that has not be explored much, is how "Zen" might be used in global organizations and even cultic power dominance structures? For example there was a Korean Zen leader named "Seung Sahn" who founded the "Kwan Um School of Zen" which is a large global organization. This Seung Sahn being the teacher of Stuart Resnick, aka RandomStu, who ca
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Here is an interesting page about this subject, obviously there are a lot of problems out there. Guidance on Finding a Buddhist Teacher or Organization By George Draffan But as far as Zen Master Seung Sahn... there are some very very strange inconsistencies here...above its stated that Seung Sahn, the Buddhist Monk leader of the entire school was having sexual relationships with a nu
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One area that has not be explored much, is how "Zen" might be used in global organizations and even cultic power dominance structures? For example there was a Korean Zen leader named "Seung Sahn" who founded the "Kwan Um School of Zen" which is a large global organization. "According to James Ishmael Ford, the Kwan Um School of Zen is the largest Zen school
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I moved this post from the Post-Landmark Concentration Syndrome thread : From 'Only Don't Know' by Zen writer, Korean Zen Master Seung Sahn (aka Soen sa Nim) ISBN 0-87704-054-0. 'A don't know mind is a before-thinking mind. Before thinking is clear like space. Clear like space is clear like a mirror.' In other words, ‘only don't know’ means choosing to
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Penny, From 'Only Don't Know' by Zen writer, Korean Zen Master Seung Sahn (aka Soen sa Nim) ISBN 0-87704-054-0. 'A don't know mind is a before-thinking mind. Before thinking is clear like space. Clear like space is clear like a mirror.' In other words, ‘only don't know’ means choosing to pay attention, in order to dispel confusion, to be non-judgmental
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