QUOTES: ______________________________________ Seung Sahn wrote: "There is a famous sutra called the Hua-yen sutra, which tells the story of a prostitute. Every day she sold her body many times. Every day different men came and had sex with this woman. But any time a man would have sex with her, he would become enlightened." The difference between that prostitute and Seung
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People have wondered what the deal is with RandomStu Stuart Resnick. Its very clear, that to him, life is literally a living game of poker/chess. Under the cover of that ugly brand of so-called "Zen" from Seung Sahn and Kwan Um School of Zen, he constantly uses bluffs, tricks, covert strategy, misdirection, and multiple conflicting lies, to try to win his hand, and turn it to his own ad
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Jody Radzik (who runs Guruphiliac) calls Stuart Resnik "our comrade in arms", "our friend and fellow gurubuster" and "hero to this blog". And basically Stu is making apologies for Muktananda, Seung Sahn and Byron Katie. Here is RandomStu (EGZC treasurer) on youtube at the Empty Gate Zen Center (Kwan Um School) with his Zen Master Bon Soeng looking like a troll/ser
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These are some of the actual title words Stuart Resnick RandomStu uses to describe himself... < Zen. Chess. Poker. Gurus. Strange Trips. Mind-altering substances > There you have it. Poker: gambling, games where bluffing, deceit, and lying are the highest virtue. (being an expert liar in the bluff is the greatest skill in poker, to keep them off balance, so you can take the pot on a
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RandomStu Stuart Resnick, is at it again. Right after a few thoughtful people were intelligently discussing what happened at the Byron Katie School for Decompensation... RandomStu arrives, and seems to have succeeded in his objective, to disrupt the conversation to such a degree, as to destroy it. You will notice RandomStu's technique is the same, to deflect, distract, bully, and dis
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RandomStu Stuart Resnick, is at it again. Right after a few thoughtful people were intelligently discussing what happened at the Byron Katie School for Decompensation... RandomStu arrives, and seems to have succeeded in his objective, to disrupt the conversation to such a degree, as to destroy it. You will notice RandomStu's technique is the same, to deflect, distract, bully, and dis
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It would be interesting to find out how many of the Byron Katie senior people and inner circle come from Muktananda and Siddha Yoga, and related groups. Muktananda died in 1982, (he also had connections with Werner Erhard, as well as the cult leader and sex abuser Sai Baba) and it does appear that a significant number of people connected with Muk are connected with the Byron Katie system, and
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Heh just adding a few details- Byron Katie has a weekend seminar at esalen coming up in september. The documentary, ON THE ROAD IN AMERICA, at Esalen, Big Sur features Byron Katie: "Episode 8: Big Sur Part 1 - The cast and crew drive north on California’s winding Highway 1 to Big Sur and their next destination: the Esalen Institute, a haven for alternative ideas since the 1960s. Afte
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More on Stephen Mitchell and the Kwan Um School of Zen: "Stephen Mitchell was the first Western Monk ordained by Zen Master Seung Sahn and was known as Mu Gak Sunim for 14 years." (Also written Mu Gak Su Nim or simply "Mu Gak") Here is a bunch of letters relating to Seung Sahn. One letter in 1975 mentions Mitchell being ordained as Mu Gak Su Nim and a number of refer
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Byron Katie (the Work) Stephen Mitchell, "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
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There are even more dots that haven't yet been fully connected in this. Perhaps more information will be forthcoming. There is Stephen Mitchell, who was/is deeply connected with (Seung Sahn) Kwan Um School of Zen Seung Sahn is the same so-called Zen master who was busted for having sex with his students and disciples. Why hasn't Stephen Mitchell commented on that? Do they thi
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Great! Now you have the exited exit-counsellor and the "book-packing" mind expert, you can tie in the religious scholar, Stephen Mitchell. We'll call them the three Zen masters. In 1973 Mitchell (Yale graduate) became a student of Seung Sahn who was living in a run down slum at the time. That year Sahn went on to open the largest zen school in the west, Kwan Um School of Zen. In
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hey, great research!! That is what we need! As far as "The Work Foundation" they claim it is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization, and that the federal tax identification number is 87-0559189 If someone is registered with Guidestar, they could access all the financial details for The Work Foundation! It should list salaries, etc...those could be posted in the thread. Als
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Turnaround. Things you believe to be true are now the opposite. Disassociation in the making. I can just hear "Is that true? Is that really true?" Is her name backwards? Was Byron Katie really in a halfway house? Is that really true? Hope House in LA conveniently closed down so there would be no way to confirm it. She was living in the attic of the halfway house and a cockroa
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someone reminded me of that old punk-rock anthem, "California Uber Alles". California Uber Alles Uber Alles California ...Your kids will meditate in school Zen fascists will control you, 100% natural You will jog for the master race And always wear the happy face Close your eyes, can't happen here Big Bro' on white horse is near The hippies won't come back
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If Stu is indeed a "senior dharma teacher" of the Kwan Um Zen school as he has claimed in various places on the internet, then he would have vowed to uphold the "ten precepts": ~I vow to abstain from taking life. ~I vow to abstain from taking things not given. ~I vow to abstain from misconduct done in lust. ~I vow to abstain from lying. ~I vow to abstain from intoxican
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Well this is "enlightening"... [Dialogue with Seung Sahn: The Medicine Buddha] Interesting excerpt from the dialogue: PP: Nowadays many people have problems with drugs and drinking. What kind of karma is this? How can these people be helped? ZMSS : Sometimes it may be before-life karma, but sometimes it may be because of doing "together action" with others: "
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That is fascinating fact. You know, these guys are very tricky, but not tricky enough, it seems. Just some applied critical analysis, and the facts come out pretty quick. One can take a wild guess at who thought of the strategy of branding analysis of Byron Katie's persuasion techniques as "victimology"? Notice how they try to project the blame for their own behaviors onto
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According to a reviewer of one of the books that Byron Katie's husband Stephen Mitchell edited for Seung Sahn, Dropping Ashes on the Buddha: "I first read it 20 years ago and always enjoy opening it. Stephen Mitchell, now married to Byron Katie, was an early (as Americans go) student of Seung Sahn's and has gone on to a career of writing and translating many spiritual books.&quo
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These techniques of the Kwan Um School of Zen and their very extreme practices, like isolation for up to 90 days 17 hours a day while only reading the works of Seung Sahn, while NOT BEING PERMITTED to keep a diary. It triggered memories of how in various LGAT trainings they often discussed in great detail the numerous Korean brainwashing experiments which started back in the 1950's in
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These techniques of the Kwan Um School of Zen and their very extreme practices, like isolation for up to 90 days 17 hours a day while only reading the works of Seung Sahn, while NOT BEING PERMITTED to keep a diary. It triggered memories of how in various LGAT trainings they often discussed in great detail the numerous Korean brainwashing experiments which started back in the 1950's in
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In regards to RandomStu, there is also a deeper pattern at work which points to some of what is being said, which is certainly non-random. The more basic agenda at play is something to keep in mind in general when reading on the internet. It appears RandomStu has been around for years but this type of "Zen in the Art of War", where anything goes, has not been looked at. So this appea
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Its clear that RandomStu is mainly just about derailing threads by avoiding the problems of Byron Katie... But there is also a deeper pattern at work which points to some of what is being said, which is certainly non-random. The more basic agenda at play is something to keep in mind in general when reading on the internet. It appears RandomStu has been around for years but this type of "Z
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Apparently Stuart cannot even follow his own blogged info: "I didn't like The Guru Papers because it's focused entirely on criticizing the external systems, detailing at great length (370+ pages) the faults of authoritarian set-ups. All this may be of academic interest, but when it comes to practical value, all that's needed is for the individual to question in his own mind
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down at the bottom of this blog page, Stuart Resnick RandomStu rationalizes the sexual abuses of his guru Seung Sahn. THE GURU WAS HAVING SEX WITH HIS FEMALE STUDENTS WHICH WAS AGAINST THE RULES AND HE WAS LYING ABOUT IT FOR YEARS. But that's ok with Stuart Resnick! Unbelievable. This guy is way over the line into professional internet apologetics. Talk about screaming red flags...or worse
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down at the bottom of this blog page, Stuart Resnick RandomStu rationalizes the sexual abuses of his guru Seung Sahn. THE GURU WAS HAVING SEX WITH HIS FEMALE STUDENTS WHICH WAS AGAINST THE RULES AND HE WAS LYING ABOUT IT FOR YEARS. But that's ok with Stuart! Unbelievable. This guy is way over the line into professional internet apologetics. Talk about screaming red flags...or worse. No
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There is a tiny bit of information here and there about the sexual abuses of Seung Sahn, clearly they have tried to cover it up, as in 2006, people in the Buddhist community still knew nothing about it. Also, that info was removed from Wikipedia before the book reference below made it stick. Note that the Empty Gate Zen Center is referenced in the book below. ------------------ What d
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There are some inaccurate and even dishonest statements being made in the RandomStu drive-by posting above. It reminds one of what can be read on some Siddha Yoga websites...of the subset of ex-SYDA people who basically say..."I got mine, so screw you". (the self-centeredness of some folks in the allleged spiritual community is stunning) That sounds like Werner Erhard. The fact tha
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QuotecorboyThat is interesting, given that we have had at least three discussion fora dedicated to SY--Leaving SY, Marta Szabo's blog, the Rituals of Disenchantment Blog, and the New Yorker found it worth its time to support Liz Harris in writing and then publishing her 'O Guru, Guru' article. Um, Stuart's blogroll links to Marta Szabo's and the Rituals of Disenchantment
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The current leader of Kwan Um School of Zen (KUSZ) is "Soeng Hyang" aka Bobby. Other name(s): Barbara Rhodes, Barbara Trexler In a discussion area, its mentioned that she also had a sexual relationship with her guru. This appears to have been removed from her wikipedia article. Below is a quote from the discussion. As mentioned, why do they NOT mention any of this anywhere? Is th
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