The current leader of Kwan Um School of Zen (KUSZ) is "Soeng Hyang" aka Bobby.
Other name(s): Barbara Rhodes, Barbara Trexler
In a discussion area, its mentioned that she also had a sexual relationship with her guru.
This appears to have been removed from her wikipedia article. Below is a quote from the discussion.
As mentioned, why do they NOT mention any of this anywhere?
Is that being truthful? No, its being very deceptive.
If the Kwan Um School of Zen is a proper organization, why would they attempt to disappear something that serious? Not only the sexual offences of the Guru, but the fact it involved the current leader Soeng Hyang?
In a newsletter below she talks to some est-head trying to recruit her for the est training.
Then she goes on to to say that lying, killing and stealing are morally relative?
So its ok to lie if you think you are helping people?
Its ok to kill and steal if you think you are helping people?
They believe in extreme Moral Relativism, where the perceived ends justify the means.
According to the current leader Soeng Hyang, you can lie, kill, and steal, if you believe you are doing it to HELP people!
So she has internalized the dysfunctional belief system of her Guru, the very beliefs that seem to have led to her own sexual affair with her Guru, and the other problems?
Sure, Seung Sahn may have had to kill, steal, and lie in his life to survive in war...but you don't carry that into civilian life.
But that is exactly what he did.
He used his moral relativism to justify his own behavior.
But it does explain how yet another group thinks its ok to lie and steal, as long as you THINK you are helping people! That explains a lot, especially the apparent dishonesty recently from a member of this group.
They think its OK to be dishonest...as long as you believe its ok. Convenient.
Notice how these distorted values from the Guru have been internalized in the organization and possibly its followers?
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"The article is OK, but it reads almost as if written by a follower--defintely seems to lack a NPOV. As documented many places, including Rick Fields's excellent book, How the Swans Came to the Lake (2nd Edition), Seung Sahn had sexual relationships with many women who were followers of his. One such was Soeng Hyang. This caused tension in his community, as well as resulting in many followers of his leaving. Despite this, he never relinquished his position, and websites produced by the Kwan Um school and other sources with links to him do not, to my knowledge, mention any of this."
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April 14, 1982
Dear Jerry,
Thank you for your letter and the information about EST training. You helped me understand more about the training, especially by the way you talked about your own experience with it...
You said the EST training brochure mentioned instant transformation. I too believe that it is possible to transform our mind instantly and "get it." But what I also know is that it is very hard to keep it...
Sex, lying, killing, stealing, and heedlessness are all neither good nor bad by themselves. Why do you do them? That is what is most important. If it is to help people, then you are not breaking a Precept. ...
Sincerely,
Bobby
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2008 03:31PM by The Anticult.