One last thing, Changedagain, Marilyn said many times that she was going to show the video of John Stevens commissioning her to be head over Living Word, I don't remember if Hargrave was supposed to be in on that commissioning at that time or not. But she NEVER showed that video. I wonder if anyone of you ever saw such a video. I was there a week, in every single meeting and that video was never shown.

One thing too, I want to say, and then I will stop posting for a few days so that somebody else will have a chance to say something, I was never by any stretch of the imagination a pastor, shepherd, or whatever by the standards of any real church. I was put in that office because of personality only. I had absolutely no theological training, I drank heavily, was an adulterer, by Living Word standards, of course, I was perfect for the job. My hole function as a "shepherd" was to put the John tapes in the tape player and lay hands on people and mouth off some generarlity about John's spirit. I want that understood, because my attendance at that "shepherd's meeting" does not signify that I was a shepherd by the standards of any other church in the world.

From my time in TLWF, it didn't take me long to realize how smart and ruthless the Hargraves were...and not to tangle with them. If they arranged things to personally benefit from the sales of TLWF assets, I'm sure they've put a lot of time considering the legality of what they're doing, and a thorough defense strategy should they ever be challenged. Since I've left, one thing I'm not equivocal about is their character, or lack thereof. Their effect on people's lives has been monstrous. I could care less about what becomes of them...I only care about what impact they've had on those that innocently and passionately gave themselves to them--thinking it was God's will.
BTW, Paleface, I wouldn't be surprised if their heirs will have control of much of TLWF assets once they're gone. But I suppose it's fitting because, let's face it...Rick has been an example of one who has daily taken up the cross of discipleship, right?



paleface Wrote:
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> Regarding the shuting down of churches and the
> liquidation of assets. The local elders and people
> who gave the most and sacrificed the most to pay
> down and payoff mortgages were not consulted.
> This decision seems to have resided with G&M. And
> the funds appear to transfer to a different LW
> corporation. But one with "Apostolic Fathering
> Minestry" oversite. Which means the funds were
> transfered to a corporation with final control
> from G&M. It's not clear where the shell game
> will lead. In the case of the Valley Church, it
> appears that real estate holdings are the final
> goal. At somepoint, I think, G&M will die. The
> LW corporation will be disolved and the assets
> will transfer to Marilyn's heirs. Mostly Rick,
> I'm guessing.

No theological training, heavy drinker, adulterer...
You are the Christ!!!

> I was put in that office because of personality
> only. I had absolutely no theological training, I
> drank heavily, was an adulterer, by Living Word
> standards, of course, I was perfect for the job.

changedagain Wrote:
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> No theological training, heavy drinker,
> adulterer...
> You are the Christ!!!
>
> > I was put in that office because of personality
> > only. I had absolutely no theological training,
> I
> > drank heavily, was an adulterer, by Living Word
> > standards, of course, I was perfect for the job.


The perfect LW shepherd !

make that "couldn't" care less. Grammar is not my forte. I'll make sure to include irregardless in my next post.

changedagain Wrote:
> Their effect on people's lives has
> been monstrous. I could care less about what
> becomes of them...

Previously:

No theological training, heavy drinker,

adulterer...

You are the Christ!!!

The perfect LW shepherd

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And............as said somewhere, "Here, take my wife, all my money, my dignity and in keeping with the First Principles I acquiesce to your superior mystical intellect enhanced by God.

Please tell me how to live!

The ministry training needs to start while they're very young. That's why I've always advocated placing a wet bar in the nursery.
(kidding)


> I was put in that office because of
> personality only. I had absolutely no theological
> training, I drank heavily, was an adulterer, by Living
> Word standards, of course, I was perfect for the
> job.

> The perfect LW shepherd !

I hear Shiloh finally put in a bar a swell.

Drinking for fun is acceptable. Drinking because your trapped in a cult is a necessity.

That's "you're"