Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Northerngate ()
Date: January 03, 2020 12:53AM

I appreciate reading all posts. They really help me. Onion posted something a while back comparing the Nazi terror tactics and how this is used in a cult. That was very applicable to so many scenarios. Thank you for those posts Onion.

I hope everyone will enjoy a year of goodness. I pray that the terror will become less imprisoning and we will all experience freedom to do things we desire to do instead of what others have chosen for us. I pray that the terrible experiences inflicted will be less foundational and new fresh thinking patterns will form. I wish all a Happy New Year!!!

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: January 03, 2020 05:23AM

N O R T H g

1) " . the terror will become less imprisoning"
2) " . experience freedom to do things we desire to do instead of what others have chosen for us"
3) " . the terrible experiences inflicted will be less foundational"
4) " . new fresh thinking patterns will form"

(I felt their importance was worth repeating.)

HAPPY202U

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 04, 2020 12:59AM

Onion Wrote:
"CHHP filed an amendment changing the name of that
corporation to Hargrave Family Ministries - A Living Word Ministry. That gave them the ability to take the money paid for the church property
into their HFM account."


I wonder if long-time members of the Anaheim church were aware of this, and if it bothered them that the proceeds from their church were now in direct control (presumably) of Hargrave
Also, even though TLWF dissolved shortly after the allegations of sexual misconduct went public (Shalom's letter), was it even a legal entity to begin with? If not, was the announcement of its dissolution simply to give the impression that corrective measures were being taken to end abuse--like the commissioning of an 'independent investigation,' which is still ongoing (apparently).

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 04, 2020 01:01AM

p.s. Happy New Year again!

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Lilith ()
Date: January 04, 2020 01:49AM

changedagain Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Onion Wrote:
> "CHHP filed an amendment changing the name of
> that
> corporation to Hargrave Family Ministries - A
> Living Word Ministry. That gave them the ability
> to take the money paid for the church property
> into their HFM account."

>
> I wonder if long-time members of the Anaheim
> church were aware of this, and if it bothered them
> that the proceeds from their church were now in
> direct control (presumably) of Hargrave
> Also, even though TLWF dissolved shortly after the
> allegations of sexual misconduct went public
> (Shalom's letter), was it even a legal entity to
> begin with? If not, was the announcement of its
> dissolution simply to give the impression that
> corrective measures were being taken to end
> abuse--like the commissioning of an 'independent
> investigation,' which is still ongoing
> (apparently).

Yes, aware and yes, bothered. I have also become aware that those that have left and are speaking out are now referred to as Judas and Proverbs 11:9 by those remaining. I am left wondering precisely what they think we hope to gain by speaking out because we are most certainly not gaining financially. If anything those speaking out have lost friends, family and quite literally years of their lives. My suggestion would be for them to turn those pointing fingers right back at themselves because they are harboring criminals and collaborators and they are cowards. And as far as the remaining churches reconstituting I hope that they realize that they are building on a foundation of disease and perversion, a shaky foundation at best.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 04, 2020 02:01AM

I agree, Lilith.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: puddington ()
Date: January 04, 2020 02:29AM

I really don’t see how any LW church can survive now, unless they rent store front meeting halls or meet in homes. I expect their financial spine will erode from the lawsuits. And the lack of young adults remaining is unhealthy. They will just die out as a failed cult. It’s about time.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Onion ()
Date: January 04, 2020 02:36AM

Lilith - WELL said:

"... they are harboring criminals and collaborators and they are cowards. And as far as the remaining churches reconstituting I hope that they realize that they are building on a foundation of disease and perversion..."

I believe they squirreled away a lot of money to fund the ongoing churches although the size of the various congregations is probably not enough to meet ongoing expenses.

The lawsuits are being handled by insurance companies and may not hit the perpetrators in their pockets much if at all.

My greatest hope is that new exposure will continue and especially that people will come forward about the misconduct and abuse by Gary and Marilyn's hands directly.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 04, 2020 02:39AM

The money has been directed elsewhere, certainly not in the future of a healthy, growing church. To those who still choose to believe that ex-leaders have operated in good faith, and continue to do so now, I can only point out there is overwhelming evidence that suggests otherwise (to put it mildly).



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Reepicheep ()
Date: January 04, 2020 04:17AM

The churches that still allowed people to exercise a modicum of free will have been closed down one way or another. What seems to remain are a few churches which are entirely dedicated to slavishly follow Hargrave's random thought process. No room for individual thinking. No one needs to read the complaints. Move along. Nothing to see here. (Insert "Walk" buzzwords and dog whistles here.) It's all good. /s



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