Caveat emptor.

The translation of TLW version of 'oneness' is 'our way or the highway'.

Lettruthcome wrote: “yeah the whole message changed in the church after Gary imparted oneness, went from Love to submitting to authority so we can all be one.”

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TLW stone tablet reads, “Submit to Authority.”

TLW bible reads, “Submit to Authority.”

TLW heart, “Submit to Authority.”

TLW message and publications, “Submit to Authority.”

Lettruthcome wrote: “yeah the whole message changed in the church after Gary imparted oneness, went from Love to submitting to authority so we can all be one.”
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He is obsessed with people being submissive. That is a running theme in his messages, as far back as I can remember.
Glad you're questioning his emphasis.

TheSarge Wrote:

> I don't post much anymore. I don't care what Gary
> is doing. I don't care that Marilyn died. I
> don't care what ApCo does. And the people left
> behind are on their own. They have no qualms in
> kicking us out or labeling us as nephilim or
> Jezebel. They are sychophants who bow down to
> status and money but marginalize those who don't
> offer that.

true

Lettruthcome,

The kind of submission to authority that Gary preaches leads to spiritual abuse. The Living Word Fellowship has elders, but Gary is not accountable to them. That kind of church governance should raise a red flag but it is often missed. A good resource to goggle is Ronald Enroth. Enroth exposes how many abusive churches wrongly interpret the Greek meaning of submission used in the NT and go way beyond requiring submission in church matters as described in the NT and wrongly demand that the members submit every aspect of their personal lives to church leaders which is what is required by Gary. This has proven totally destructive to many members in the church. Many of Enroth's books on spiritual abuse and recovering from spiritual abuse are now PDF files you can download for free.

changedagain Wrote:

Yeah, I don't put much thought into whether Satan
> is here or there,..or whatever. That post was my
> best effort to express disdain toward the topic,
> in my usual ineffective sarcastic way. I do
> need to start using the proper emoticon to convey
> an attempt at satire. The ensuing confusion is
> wearisome.


I got your satirical post about the absurdity of Gary proclaiming that John brought down Satan and then Satan reappearing. I don't think you need to use emoticons but incase you do, what do you think of the Steven Colbert one: [emojipedia.org]



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larry bobo Wrote:
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> lily rose,
> I first started submitting becoming an electrical
> contractor in 1976 (and many more times after
> that) which I was never allowed to do up until the
> time I left in 1999. I started contracting in
> 2000 when I no longer had to ask permission -
> except from God. I did start an electrical
> training business while still in TLWF, but that
> was also a fight until it started to be successful
> - then it became their idea and they wanted to
> take credit for it. They were not a help, but an
> obstacle that had to be overcome. I've since
> helped over 10,000 electricians obtain their
> electrical licenses - none of which would have
> happened under the direction of LWF leadership.
> The sad thing is that when you use people for your
> own selfish purposes instead of equipping them to
> function in their God-given gifts, they remain
> immature and never really become valuable to
> anyone - including you. I've watched many prosper
> in all areas of life after leaving the oppression
> of TLWF. God's discipline yields wonderful fruit.
> In contrast, the discipline of TLWF yields wounded
> and abused people that no longer want anything to
> do with God and end up having a rough time even
> functioning in the world. The only ones that
> benefit are the leaders who are using others for
> their own purposes. The ones in TLWF that seem to
> make some financial progress were those who told
> the TLWF leadership that their money was none of
> their business and made their own financial
> decisions. Here's a link to a Podcast I did with
> the men's pastor of the largest church in Colorado
> on the subject of being led by the Spirit in
> business
> (http://www.newlifechurch.org/podcast/3915) -
> something I was not even allowed to do in TLWF.


Thanks for sharing that Larry. Your posts clearly shows how perverse the intrusion (under the guise of submission) was/is into the private lives of the members. When under the spell, we all thought as you once said the LW was God. When the light bulb in the mind comes on and the spell is lifted and the healing comes, you realize the LW never was God, never can be God and never will be God.

"When the light bulb in the mind comes on and the spell is lifted and the healing comes, you realize the LW never was God, never can be God and never will be God."

So true, LR. I know this light bulb personally. Talk about an "ah ha" moment !

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