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Gurdjieff groups in the SF Bay Area--mid-seventies
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: August 21, 2007 10:59AM

A lot of people are 'programmed into silence.'

One can surmise how a child who is left lonely because the parents are pre-occuppied with following exercises prescribed in a Gurdjieff group/other sort of esoteric group or are distracted due to the freaky politics, pecking order and infighting of such a group.

A child in this predicament, whose parents are distracted, might feel lost in the shuffle, physically cared for but emotionally orphaned, because the group is monopolizing the parents' attention.

Some children in this predicament might try to suppress age appropriate need for play and instead try to elict some kind of nurturing care from the distracted parents (and thier adult friends) by becoming pseudo mature and self sufficient, while feeling abandoned and not daring to admit it.

Some children might go further and try to associate with the parents through the medium of the group by asking to be included in the group's studies and exercises.

A child using this type of coping strategy would disown his or her age appropriate longing for play and basic parental care. Instead, such a child might suppress an interest in Harry Potter, convince him or herself that ordinary play is inferior, and instead struggle to read and comprehend the esoteric texts favored by the group, because the youngster understands that mastery of such material (or pretending to master it) brings prestige, power and [u:9e4feb5550]attention[/u:9e4feb5550].

A desperate youngster might try to comprehend such texts as Beelzebubs Tales or what other literature is valued by the group, creating a pseudo-mature false self and devaluing the true child self so as to get a scrap or two of care from the preocuppied adults--even be recognized as a prodigy.

A child who contructs this sort of false self and suppresses his or her true self might, in desperate energy, eventually become a member of such a group and end up neglecting his or her own children.

Thus the patttern may be re-enacted generation after generation.

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Gurdjieff groups in the SF Bay Area--mid-seventies
Posted by: yasmin ()
Date: August 21, 2007 02:07PM

Corboy,
While groups can be extremely hard on children,and adjusting to normality can be difficult , not all children born in groups are destined to join other groups or neglect their children. Apparently 80 % of children raised in cults leave when they become adult.

I've noticed a lot of children raised in cults after leaving and adjusting to the outside world, tend to join helping professions such as psychology, or medical professions, bringing good out of their bad experiences. Just had to add another, more positive, possible scenario.

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Gurdjieff groups in the SF Bay Area--mid-seventies
Posted by: mxkitty ()
Date: September 01, 2007 03:26AM

It is not the group known as "Subud Sonoma" that is allegedly connected to Bohemian Grove. It is "The Group" founded by Horn/Haas that is.

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Gurdjieff groups in the SF Bay Area--mid-seventies
Posted by: Ashiata Shiemash ()
Date: September 05, 2007 10:29AM

Moishe 3rd:

Just to set the record straight:
[esotericfreedom.com] and [esotericfreedom.blogspot.com]
are in no way connected to the Rick Ross organization.

We have stated on the website that "we welcome you to add your stories to these pages."
You have stated that:
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Now, as I enjoy writing, I wouldn't mind adding my story to the website, but I see that can't actually be done in the manner the website seems to invite. It would appear a person would email their story to the anonymous mailer and then, perhaps, it might get on the website.
Having read the stories, it is obvious that the website is just another forum to bash Alex and Sharon and that whatever story I wrote would have to be negative in order to be put on the site.

So far, every story that has been submitted has been published. There is no editorial censoring. You are welcome to add your point of view.

The website is not intended to be a forum for "Sharon and Alex bashing."

We have stated on the site that: "We are only interested in the truth. We are only interested in becoming truly free and supporting our friends in their efforts to become loving and compassionate men and women on their journeys to discover the meaning and purpose of their lives."
It is, actually, intended as a kinder and gentler website and aims at asking questions not answering them.

Mostly, we are interested in letting out friends know that we are out here, we still love them and we are getting on with our lives. We were told for many years that if we left school that our lives would turn to "shit". We want to let people know that isn't true. We all have doubts about school and each person has to come to their own answers in the sanctity and privacy of their own heart. We just believe that you can't find the truth without knowing all the cards in the deck. And also that in order to free ourselves, we are compelled to do just what we were taught in school:
to stand up for what we think is right, to go whole hog and pay the postage, to speak out against injustice and to love and honor the Work.

Best Wishes.


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Gurdjieff groups in the SF Bay Area--mid-seventies
Posted by: Ashiata Shiemash ()
Date: September 05, 2007 10:36AM

Moishe 3rd:

Just to set the record straight:
[esotericfreedom.com] and [esotericfreedom.blogspot.com]
are in no way connected to the Rick Ross organization.

We have stated on the website that "we welcome you to add your stories to these pages."

You have stated that:
"Now, as I enjoy writing, I wouldn't mind adding my story to the website, but I see that can't actually be done in the manner the website seems to invite. It would appear a person would email their story to the anonymous mailer and then, perhaps, it might get on the website.
Having read the stories, it is obvious that the website is just another forum to bash Alex and Sharon and that whatever story I wrote would have to be negative in order to be put on the site. "


So far, every story that has been submitted has been published. There is no editorial censoring. You are welcome to add your point of view.

The website is not intended to be a forum for "Sharon and Alex bashing."

We have stated on the site that: "We are only interested in the truth. We are only interested in becoming truly free and supporting our friends in their efforts to become loving and compassionate men and women on their journeys to discover the meaning and purpose of their lives." It is, actually, intended as a kinder and gentler website and aims at asking questions not answering them.

Mostly, we are interested in letting out friends know that we are out here, we still love them and we are getting on with our lives. We were told for many years that if we left school that our lives would turn to "shit". We want to let people know that isn't true. We all have doubts about school and each person has to come to their own answers in the sanctity and privacy of their own heart. We just believe that you can't find the truth without knowing all the cards in the deck. And also that in order to free ourselves, we are compelled to do just what we were taught in school: to stand up for what we think is right, to go whole hog and pay the postage, to speak out against injustice and to love and honor the Work.

Best Wishes.

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Another Gurdjieff Group
Posted by: mxkitty ()
Date: October 07, 2008 01:03AM

There's a Gurdjieff group in Berkeley, CA advertising on Craigslist:

"<i>Gurdjieff Study Group (berkeley)
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"In the early twentieth century the Greek/Armenian spiritual teacher George Ivanovich Gurdjieff brought a traditional teaching uniquely adapted to the West. Gurdjieff began working with pupils in Moscow and St. Petersburg and eventually established the head-quarters of his work in Paris.

"He put into question the assumptions common to modern “civilized” human beings about their unity, their autonomy, and the continuity of their conscious apprehension of their inner and outer worlds, insisting on a radical questioning of all assumptions and verification of all “knowledge” through direct self-observation.

"Gurdjieff emphasized the necessity of a balanced awareness of all the psychic functions­-mind, body, and emotions­-and the need for separation from the automatic external “self” definition that usurps the place of real self-consciousness at most moments of our lives.

"We meet on Wednesday evenings in Berkeley to discuss Gurdjieff’s teaching and our practical attempts to make use of it to work on ourselves. If you are interested please call (510) 524-0345.

"For more information see In Search of the Miraculous, by P.D. Ouspensky, Views from the Real World, by G.I. Gurdjieff, and:

"[www.polymath-systems.com];

The Polymath Systems site lists its president's name and a picture. Does anyone recognize this person?

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Re: Another Gurdjieff Group
Posted by: MalcomSingh ()
Date: February 05, 2009 06:56PM

Polymath is a member of the San Francisco "St. Elmo" group (big mansion on St. Elmo up in Saint Frances Woods). Does anyone know anything about the history of this mansion and what goes on in the groups there? I believe they do movements and other "exercises" which indoctrinate people into trances and then do some kind of programming. Anyone ever 'escaped' from this whacky group?

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Re: Gurdjieff groups in the SF Bay Area--mid-seventies
Posted by: cochineal ()
Date: April 21, 2009 08:58AM

I would like to reopen the question about Sharon Gans and/or Alex Horn (or any of their followers) being involved in mind control experiements.
A friend recently sent me a link to a very interesting website: [www.wanttoknow.info]
Please read. It is very interesting. I always thought of Sharon as playing the Angela Lansbury role in the Manchurian Candidate but this suggests that she actually might have played (and still be playing) the role of the Laurence Harvey character Raymond Shaw.


This is from the website:
This message is available online at [www.WantToKnow.info]

"On 2 July 1951 approximately 1:00 p.m. the instruction began with [deleted] relating to the student some of his sexual experiences. [Deleted] stated that he had constantly used hypnotism as a means of inducing young girls to engage in sexual intercourse with him. [Deleted], a performer in [deleted] orchestra, was forced to engage in sexual intercourse with [deleted] while under the influence of hypnotism. [Deleted] stated that he first put her into a hypnotic trance and then suggested to her that he was her husband and that she desired sexual intercourse with him."
-- Declassified CIA Document #140393, p. 1, dated July 9, 1951, original document available here

Dear friends,

The astonishing excerpts below, taken verbatim from declassified CIA documents, reveal detailed, successful experiments and even blatant sex abuse in highly secret, government-sponsored mind control experiments. Through hypnosis, drugs, and electric shock, CIA clinicians fractured personalities and induced multiple personality disorder (MPD) – also called dissociative identity disorder (DID). These top secret experiments were successful in creating Manchurian Candidates or super spies programmed to carry out sexual favors, assassination, and other terrorist acts without any conscious knowledge of what they were doing. The army of Manchurian Candidates created has played a key, hidden role in world politics.

To verify this startling information, links are provided to scanned images of the revealing original CIA documents. Instructions are also available here to order for yourself any of these documents directly from the CIA using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Though dating from the 1950s and 60s, these revealing documents were not released for decades for reasons of "national security." The U.S. government claims mind control experiments are no longer being carried out, yet how can we know? The existence of these programs was denied for decades, and certainly any recent documents would be classified secret under the rubric of "national security."

A trusted CIA informant I know assures me that these programs are ongoing. These disturbing methods are used by various countries in clandestine operations around the world. Many might prefer not to look at these ugly wounds to the soul of our nation and world. Yet if we avoid or ignore them, they are likely to grow and fester. Only by having the courage to look into the shadow parts of our world can we first understand and then begin to heal these wounds. See the What You Can Do section near the bottom of this essay for more valuable information and suggestions on how you can help bring this vital information to light.

With best wishes for a brighter future,
Fred Burks for PEERS and the WantToKnow.info Team
Former language interpreter for Presidents Bush and Clinton

P.S. If you become overwhelmed by this material, please click here for support. And for an engaging series of articles I've written providing commentary on these mind-boggling documents, click here.



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CIA document and page number: 190684, pp. 1, 4
Title: Outline of Special H Cases
Date: 7 January 1953
Link to view images of original: Page 1, Page 4


In a general request for volunteers [deleted names] volunteered for H [hypnosis] experimentation and were originally tested on 21 May 1951. Both girls, at this time, were nineteen years of age. These subjects have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully awake state to a deep H controlled state via the telephone, via some very subtle signal that cannot be detected by other persons in the room, and without the other individuals being able to note the change.

It has been shown clearly that physically individuals can be induced into H by telephone, by receiving written matter, or by the use of code, signal, or words. Control of those hypnotized can be passed from one individual to another without great difficulty. It has also been shown by experimentation with these girls that they can act as unwilling couriers for information purposes, and that they can be conditioned to a point where they believe a change in identity on their part even on the polygraph.


Note: This document shows that CIA experimenters were successful in hypnotizing young women (19 years old in this case) to do things they would not do normally without any memory afterward, sometimes even unwillingly. Though they volunteered, these women were thus programmed to be Manchurian Candidates or super spies with no knowledge of what these men were doing to them.



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CIA document and page number: 17395, p. 18
Title: ESP Research
Date: Unknown
Link to view image of original: Click here


Learning models will be instituted in which the subject will be rewarded or punished for his overall performance and reinforced in various ways – by being told whether he was right, by being told what the target was, with electric shock etc. ... In other cases drugs and psychological tricks will be used to modify his attitudes. The experimenters will be particularly interested in disassociative states, from the abaissement de niveau mental to multiple personality in so-called mediums, and an attempt will be made to induce a number of states of this kind, using hypnosis.


Note: This document provides proof that the CIA was was using drugs and electric shock in attempting to induce MPD (multiple personality disorder). Though this document uses the masculine "he" to describe the subject, other documents show that many of the subjects used were young women who volunteered. The subjects were not informed about the deeper aspects and implications for which they were being trained.



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CIA document and page number: 190691, p. 1, 2
Title: Hypnotic Experimentation and Research
Date: 10 February 1954
Link to view image of original: Page 1, Page 2


A posthypnotic of the night before (pointed finger, you will sleep) was enacted. Misses [deleted] and [deleted] immediately progressed to a deep hypnotic state with no further suggestion. Miss [deleted] was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms in any fashion) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken miss [deleted] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep), and failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [deleted]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to “kill” [deleted] for failing to awaken.

Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded pneumatic pistol) gun at [deleted] and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss [deleted] was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept form the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.

Miss [deleted] felt reluctant about participating further since she expressed her doubt as to any useful purpose in further attendance. The Operator thereupon proceeded in full view of all other subjects to explain to Miss [deleted] that he planned to induce a deep state of hypnosis now. The reaction was as had been expected. Miss [deleted] excused herself to make a telephone call (defense mechanism?). Upon her return a very positive approach was adopted by the operator whereupon a deeper, much deeper state of hypnosis was obtained.

Immediately a posthypnotic was induced that when the operator accidently dropped a steel ball in his hand to the floor ... Miss [deleted] would again go into hypnosis. Miss [deleted] then advised that she must conclude her work for the evening. She arose to adjust her hair before the mirror. The ball was dropped and she promptly slumped back into the chair and back into hypnosis. It is the opinion of the operator the Miss [deleted] if properly trained (positive approach) will continue to improve.


Note: Here we have proof that these women could be converted into unsuspecting and even unwilling assassins. They could be programmed to assassinate anyone and would do so without any conscious knowledge afterward. Note also the questionable status of "volunteer" implied. Though these women originally volunteered, unwillingness to continue could be manipulated by the men running the program.



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CIA document and page number: 190527, pp. 1, 2
Title: SI and H Experimentation
Date: 25 September 1951
Link to view images of original: Page 1, Page 2
Note: SI stands for sleep induction and H for hypnosis


Prior to actually beginning the more complex experiments, several simple post H were worked with both of the girls participating. The first major experiment of the evening was set up as follows without previous explanation to either [deleted] or [deleted]. Both subjects were placed in a very deep trance state and while in this state, the following instructions were given:

(A) [Deleted] was instructed that when she awakened, she was to procede to [deleted] room. She was told that while there, she would receive a telephone call from an individual whom she would know only as "Joe". This individual would engage her in a normal telephone conversation. During this conversation, this individual would give her a code word and upon mentioning the code word, [deleted] would go into a deep SI [sleep induction] trance state, but would be "normal" in appearance with her eyes open.

[Deleted] was then told that upon the conclusion of the telephone conversation, she would procede to the ladies room where she would meet a girl who was unknown to her. She was told that she would strike up a conversation with this girl and during the conversation she would mention the code word "New York" to this other girl, who, in turn, would give her a device and further instructions which were to be carried out by [deleted]. She was told that after she carried out the instructions, she was to return to the Operations Room, sit in the sofa and go immediately into a deep sleep.

(B) [Deleted] was instructed that upon awakening, she would proceed to [deleted] room where she would wait at the desk for a telephone call. Upon receiving the call, a person known as “Jim” would engage her in normal conversation. During the course of the conversation, this individual would mention a code word to [deleted]. When she heard this code word, she would pass into a SI trance state, but would not close her eyes and remain perfectly normal and continue the telephone conversation. She was told that upon conclusion of the telephone conversation, she would then carry out the following instructions:

[Deleted] being in a complete SI state at this time, was then told to open her eyes and was shown an electric timing device. She was informed that this timing device was an incendiary bomb and was then instructed how to attach and set the device. After [deleted] had indicated that she had learned how to set and attach the device, she was told to return to a sleep state and further instructed that upon concluding the aforementioned conversation, she would take the timing device which was in a briefcase and proceed to the ladies room.

In the ladies room, she would be met by a girl whom she had never seen who would identify herself by the code word “New York.” [Deleted] was then to show this individual how to attach and set the timing device and further instructions would be given the individual by [deleted] that the timing device was to be carried in the briefcase to [deleted] room, placed in the nearest empty electric-light plug and concealed in the bottom, left-hand drawer of [deleted] desk, with the device set for 82 seconds and turned on.

[Deleted] was further instructed to tell this other girl that as soon as the device had been set and turned on, she was to take the briefcase, leave [deleted] room, go to the operations room and go to the sofa and enter a deep sleep state. [Deleted] was further instructed that after completion of instructing the other girl and the transferring to the other girl of the incendiary bomb, she was to return at once to the operations room, sit on the sofa, and go into a deep sleep state.

For a matter of record, immediately after the operation was begun it was noted that a member of the charforce was cleaning the floor in the ladies room and subsequently, both [deleted] and [deleted] had to be placed ... once again in a trance state and instructions changed from the ladies room to Room 3. It should be noted that even with the change of locale in the transfer point, the experiment was carried off perfectly without any difficulty or hesitation on the part of either of the girls. Each girl acted out their part perfectly, the device was planted and set as directed and both girls returned to the operations room, sat on the sofa and entered a deep sleep state. Throughout, their movements were easy and natural.


Note: You will note the frequent use of "girls" (young women) in these programs. Do you think the men in charge, having complete hypnotic control of these women, might have at times taken advantage of them sexually? Yet this would never enter the official documentation, with the one major exception below.



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CIA document and page number: 140393, p. 1
Title: [Deleted]
Date: 9 July 1951
Link to view image of original: Click here


On 2 July 1951 approximately 1:00 p.m. the instruction began with [deleted] relating to the student some of his sexual experiences. [Deleted] stated that he had constantly used hypnotism as a means of inducing young girls to engage in sexual intercourse with him. [Deleted], a performer in [deleted] orchestra, was forced to engage in sexual intercourse with [deleted] while under the influence of hypnotism. [Deleted] stated that he first put her into a hypnotic trance and then suggested to her that he was her husband and that she desired sexual intercourse with him.

[Deleted] further stated that many times going home on [deleted] he would use hypnotic suggestion to have a girl turn around and talk to him and suggest sexual intercourse to him and that as a result of these suggestions induced by him he spent approximately five nights a week away from home engaging in sexual intercourse.


Note: This document shows that an instructor being used by the CIA took advantage of his skill in hypnosis to sexually abuse young women without their having any knowledge of being abused. How many CIA hypnotists did likewise? Would you be tempted if you were a man involved in these programs to take advantage of a beautiful, young woman knowing she would not remember afterward? Do you think many men would? Note that for some reason this document is not available in the CIA's three CD set and must be ordered individually at this link. See the What You Can Do section at the end of this page for suggestions on how we can stop this abuse.



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CIA document and page number: 17441, p.8
Title: Continuation of Studies of Hypnosis and Suggestibility
Date: Unknown
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Preliminary clinical research during 1955-56 has yielded promising leads in terms of knowledge of how hypnotizability can be influenced by pharmacological means. Experiments involving altered personality function as a result of environmental manipulation (chiefly sensory isolation) have yielded promising leads in terms of suggestibility and the production of trance-like states. There is reason to believe that environmental manipulations can affect tendencies for dissociative phenomenon to occur.


Note: "Dissociative phenomenon" refers to the ability of a person's consciousness to leave and a new consciousness enter, thereby facilitation the creation of "alter" or multiple personalities. Besides hypnosis, drugs and electric shocks were developed as means to facilitate the creation of Manchurian Candidates.



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CIA document and page number:17748, pp. 1, 2, 4, 6-9
Title: Report of Inspection of MKULTRA
Date: 26 July 1963
Link to view images of original: Page 1, Page 2, Page 4, Page 6, Page 7, Page 8, Page 9.


It was deemed advisable to prepare the report of the MKULTRA program in one copy only, in view of its unusual sensitivity. The MKULTRA activity is concerned with the research and development of chemical, biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine operation to control human behavior. MKULTRA was authorized by then Director of Central Intelligence [DCI], Mr. Allen W. Dulles, in 1953.

The concepts involved in manipulating human behavior are found by many people both within and outside the Agency to be distasteful and unethical. Nevertheless, there have been major accomplishments both in research and operational employment. Some MKULTRA activities raise questions of legality implicit in the original charter. A final phase of testing of MKULTRA products places the rights and interests of U.S. citizens in jeopardy. Public disclosure of some aspects of MKULTRA activity could induce serious adverse reaction in U.S. public opinion. The DCI's memorandum ... exempted MKULTRA from audit.

Over the ten-year life of the program many additional avenues to the control of human behavior have been designated by the TSD management [Technical Services Division - under which MKULTRA operated] as appropriate to investigation under the MKULTRA charter, including radiation, electro-shock, various fields of psychology, psychiatry, sociology, and anthropology, graphology, harassment substances, and paramilitary devices and materials.

TSD initiated a program for covert testing of materials on unwitting U.S. citizens in 1955. TSD has pursued a philosophy of minimum documentation in keeping with the high sensitivity of some of the projects. The lack of consistent records precluded use of routine inspection procedures and raised a variety of questions concerning management and fiscal controls.

There are just two individuals in TSD who have full substantive knowledge of the program and most of that knowledge is unrecorded. In protecting both the sensitive nature of the American intelligence capability to manipulate human behavior, they apply "need to know" doctrine to their professional associates and to their clerical assistants to a maximum degree.


Note: Why did only two people have full substantive knowledge of the program? Could it be that sex abuse and political manipulations behind the scenes were so severe that no one was to be trusted? Do you think we could trust those two individuals? CIA Director Richard Helms, upon hearing there would be a Congressional investigation, ordered the destruction of all documents from these unethical and at times illegal mind control programs in 1973. He did not realize, however, that incriminating evidence remained in the financial files of the agency, which are what you read here. We can only imagine what secrets the destroyed documents held.



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CIA document and page number: 87624, p. 3, 4 (also appended to 17748, p. 32, 33)
Title: Two Extremely Sensitive Research Programs
Date: 3 April 1953
Link to view images of original: Page 3, Page 4


Approximately 6% of the projects are of such an ultra-sensitive nature that they cannot and should not be handled by means of contracts which would associate CIA or the Government with the work in question.

We intend to investigate the development of a chemical material which causes a reversible non-toxic aberrant mental state, the specific nature of which can be reasonably well predicted for each individual. This material could potentially aid in discrediting individuals, eliciting information, implanting suggestion and other forms of mental control.

In a great many instances the work in field (a) must be conducted by individuals who are not and should not be aware of our interest. In all cases dealing with field (b), it is mandatory that any connections with the Agency should be known only to an absolute minimum number of people who have been specifically cleared for this purpose.

Experience has shown that qualified, competent individuals in the filed of pharmacological, physiological, psychiatric and other biological sciences are most reluctant to enter into signed agreements of any sort which connect them with this activity since such a connection would jeopardize their professional reputations. Even internally in CIA, as few individuals as possible should be aware of our interest in these fields and of the identity of those who are working for us. At present, this results in ridiculous contracts, with cut-outs, which do not spell out the scope or intent of the work.


Note: In the three CD set, this document is found appended to document 17748 on pp. 30 through 37.



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CIA document and page number: 190885, p. 1
Title: None Given
Date:1 January 1950
Link to view image of original: Click here


Drug Project - A project in the isolation and synthesis of pure drugs for use in effecting psychological entry and control of the individual.

Drugs and electricity - Research work on the effects of lysergic acid [LSD] on animals. Use of electric shock and the encephalograph in interrogation. Particular emphasis on the detection and prior use of electric shock and the 'guaranteed amnesia' resulting from electric shock.

Hypnosis - Investigation of the possibilities of hypnotic and post-hypnotic control.



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CIA document and page number: 140394, pp. 2, 3 (not available in three CD set, order individually here)
Title: Interview with [Deleted]
Date: 25 February 1952
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Q: What are your experiences in general with hypnotism?

A: I have been a professional hypnotist for at least 15 years. At present, I am employed on a very confidential basis two days a week.

Q: Can you obtain information from an individual, willing or unwilling, by hypnotism?

A: Definitely, yes. Many of the medical cases I work on are involved in obtaining personal, intimate information, and through hypnotism, I have been quite successful in obtaining this. If an individual refuses to co-operate with hypnosis, the doctors with whom I work use drugs, always sodium amytal.

Q: How far do you think individuals could be controlled by hypnosis?

A: This is a very difficult subject. Post-hypnotics will last twenty years and will be very strong if re-enforced from time to time.

Q: Have you ever had any experience with drugs?

A: Yes, many times. I have worked with doctors using sodium amytal and pentothal and have obtained hypnotic control after the drugs were used. In fact, many times drugs were used for the purpose of obtaining hypnotic control.

Q: Do you have any ideas that hypnotism could be used as a weapon?

A: Yes, I have thought about this often. It could certainly be used in obtaining information from recalcitrant people particularly with drugs. It could be used as a recruiting source for special types of work. A good hypnotist running hypnotic shows for entertainment would pick up a great many subjects, some of whom might be exceptionally good subjects for us. These subjects could easily be tabbed and put to use.

Q: Have you ever been able to produce hypnosis without an individual's knowledge?

A: Yes, through the relaxing technique and on rare occasions [I've] been able to produce hypnotism against a person's will. However, you cannot count on this and to attempt to attach an individual who did not want to be hypnotized alone would be almost an impossible task. In that type of case, I would use sodium amytal and/or sodium pentothal.

Q: How effective are post-hypnotics; over what distances and time can they be effective?

A: Properly used post-hypnotics will last twenty years. They can be made more effective by re-enforcement from time to time. Post-hypnotics are not affected at all by time or travel or distance away from the person who placed the post-hypnotic. As a rule, post-hypnotics should be 100% effective in good subjects.

Q: Can individuals be made to do things under hypnosis that they would not otherwise?

A: Individuals could be taught to do anything including murder, suicide, etc. I do believe that you could carry out acts that would be against an individual's moral feelings if they were rightly, psychologically conditioned.


Note: Individuals can be hypnotized without their knowledge. They can be programmed to commit murder, suicide, and much more. Think about the implications. How many "suicides" of important people we've heard in the news were not really suicides? How many murders were committed by people who didn't even realize they were assassins? How much has this technology been used to manipulate world politics? Think about the Kennedys, Martin Luther King, Jr., and possibly even those involved with 9/11 and other major terrorist attacks. Note that this document is not available in the three CD set and must be ordered individually at this link.



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CIA document and page number: 140401, pp. 6, 7 (not available in three CD set, order individually here)
Title: Special Research, Bluebird
Date: 1 January 1952 (approximate)
Link to view full text of both pages: Click here


Set out below are specific problems which can only be resolved by experiment, testing and research.

Can we obtain control of the future activities (physical and mental) of any given individual, willing or unwilling by application of SI [sleep induction] and H [hypnosis] techniques?

Can we create by post-H control an action contrary to an individual’s basic moral principles?

Can we in a matter of an hour, two hours, one day, etc., induce an H condition in an unwilling subject to such an extent that he will perform an act for our benefit?

Could we seize a subject and in the space of an hour or two by post-H control have him crash an airplane, wreck a train, etc.?

Can we by H and SI techniques force a subject (unwilling or otherwise) to travel long distances, commit specified acts and return to us or bring documents or materials?

Can we guarantee total amnesia under any and all conditions?

Can we “alter” a person’s personality?

Can we devise a system for making unwilling subjects into willing agents and then transfer that control to untrained agency agents in the field by use of codes or identifying signs?

Is it possible to find a gas that can be used to gain SI control from a gas pencil, odorless, colorless: one shot, etc.?

What are full details on "sleep-inducing machine"?

How can sodium A or P or any other sleep inducing agent be best concealed in a normal or commonplace item, such as candy, cigarettes, liquer, wines, coffee, tea, beer, gum water, aspirin tablets, common medicines, coke, tooth paste?

Can we, using SI and H extract complicated formula from scientists, engineers, etc., if unwilling?

Note: Reading all of the declassified CIA documents listed in this essay suggests that the answer to most, if not all of the questions above appears to be yes. Note that sleep inducing agents were being placed in candy, aspirin, Coke, and more. Think about the implications if even just a few of the men in these programs decided to use such things outside of the office to sexually abuse women and children. It's time that this information be made public so that we can all be aware of what's going on and work to stop the abuses. Note that for some reason this document is not available in the three CD set and must be ordered individually at this link.



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Science Digest Article, pp. 44 - 53 (Not a CIA document, but directly related to the mind control programs)
Title: Hypnosis Comes of Age
Date: April 1971
Link to view full text of article: Click here


Psychologist G. H. Estabrooks reminisces about his long career as a hypnotist. Dr. Estabrooks discusses how he "programmed" American spies with hypnosis and how he helped businessmen and students with his skills. Dr. Estabrooks is a Rhodes Scholar. He took his Doctorate at Harvard ('26), and has authored many articles and books on clinical hypnosis and human behavior.


One of the most fascinating but dangerous applications of hypnosis is its use in military intelligence. This is a field with which I am familiar through formulating guidelines for the techniques used by the United States in two world wars. I was involved in preparing many subjects for this work during World War II.

One successful case involved an Army Service Corps Captain whom we'll call George Smith. Captain Smith had undergone months of training. He was an excellent subject but did not realize it. I had removed from him, by post-hypnotic suggestion, all recollection of ever having been hypnotized. Outside of myself, Colonel Brown was the only person who could hypnotize Captain Smith. This is "locking." I performed it by saying to the hypnotized Captain: "Until further orders from me, only Colonel Brown and I can hypnotize you. We will use a signal phrase 'the moon is clear.' " The system is virtually foolproof.

By the 1920's, not only had they learned to apply post-hypnotic suggestion, [they] also had learned how to split certain complex individuals into multiple personalities like Jeckyl-Hydes.

During World War II, I worked this technique with a vulnerable Marine lieutenant I'll call Jones. Under the watchful eye of Marine Intelligence, I spilt his personality into Jones A and Jones B. Jones A, once a "normal" working Marine, became entirely different. He talked communist doctrine and meant it. He was welcomed enthusiastically by communist cells, was deliberately given a dishonorable discharge by the Corps (which was in on the plot) and became a card-carrying party member.

The joker was Jones B, the second personality, formerly apparent in the conscious Marine. Under hypnosis, this Jones had been carefully coached by suggestion. Jones B was the deeper personality, knew all the thoughts of Jones A, was a loyal American, and was "imprinted" to say nothing during conscious phases. All I had to do was hypnotize the whole man, get in touch with Jones B, the loyal American, and I had a pipeline straight into the Communist camp.


Note: Note that in the 1920s, U.S. military intelligence had already developed the capability to cause split personalities. The created super spy or Manchurian Candidate has been a reality for nearly a century, yet very few people know anything about it. These unknowing spies could provide sexual favors, plant bombs, and even assassinate top political leaders. Consider that many countries and key powerful, elite groups have had and used this technology for many decades. Watch the movie Manchurian Candidate to see how real it is.



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Re: Gurdjieff groups in the SF Bay Area--mid-seventies
Posted by: sar ()
Date: May 04, 2009 09:00AM

Cochineal,

Don't see any relevance in any of this that pertains to the Gans/Horn/Klein group.

The mechanics of the group is fairly easy to explain within the cult dynamics paradigm offered by Sanger, Hassan and many others, as well as studies in interpersonal behavior in small groups.

Gans a CIA subject of mind control-- she gets the phone call and in some kind of post-hypnotic state goes on to subjugate her "students"?

If you want to re-open the subject why start with whacky conspiracy theories? It's not that grand or mysterious--Sounds like an imaginative/paranoid delusion worthy of Her Nibs.

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Re: Gurdjieff groups in the SF Bay Area--mid-seventies
Posted by: mxkitty ()
Date: May 05, 2009 01:10AM

After World War II, inpired by Nazi doctors' results from their experiments on human behavior, certain agencies within the U.S. government were searching for a "truth serum" (hence the LSD experiments in NY and SF on "hippies") and secretly studied and performed experiments on humans in prisons, orphanages, mental hospitals, universities and jails to learn more about mind control (e.g., MK ULTRA) in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s.

According to my readings, the Jim Jones cult was a CIA-sponsored mind control experiment. When the state of California closed the mental hospital near Ukiah, the patients were sent straight to Jones' "church."

As cults also use mind control, it is logical that the relevant government agencies would use already existing organizations like cults for their own studies simply because it's practical and cheaper.

The main areas for government mind control experiments were New York state and California. There were some in Canada as well.

We may not have direct evidence that the Horn/Gans or any other Gurdjieff group was studied or sponsored by any government intelligence agency, but it is fallacious to discard this possibility completely. It should be researched further and questioned. Someone in the know might come forward in the interim.

You might want to do some research on Michael Aquino as well. He took over Anton LaVey's Satanic church in San Francisco and founded the Temple of Set in Marin. Interestingly, several Gurdjieff books are on that organization's reading list. Aquino was also a high ranking officer in the U.S. Navy and at least partly responsible for the abuse of children in mind control experiments at the San Francisco Presidio, which was exposed in the news in the later 1970s.

I know of at least one Gurdjieff/Subud group that is connected to an area Satanic group. Cults recruit members from other cults. This phenomenon is well documented.



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