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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2008 10:43AM by The Anticult.

(for clarity, the response to the analysis of Byron Katies hypnotic language patterns of unconscious persuasion has been moved here). (with Love of course...)
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as I think I said from the first moments I analyzed Byron Katie's material, she is not insane or crazy, as one normally uses those terms. Not even close.

People who do LGAT's who talk/write in confusing language like that, are doing specific techniques and hypnotic Inductions, all well studied, taught, and mapped out. Much of it began with Dr. Milton Erickson, and since has been used and abused by everyone from NLP, to now even Advertisers.

But if folks did some serious research into Ericksonian Hypnosis, practice and theory, they would see she is just doing a cheap, and abusive, and unethical version of that, mixed in with many other things.

Milton Erickson was a genius and he helped a lot of people. But many have abused his methods, like above.

This is why somehow the education needs to get out to the public. Its plain as day when you study the material for long enough. It can be very complex, and does take some serious effort though.
But it ain't rocket science, so people can understand it, if its presented well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2008 10:58AM by The Anticult.

What is The Work? It seems to change daily? Why? Where are the explanations?

Does it need to be immediately reported the psychological authorities in California?

There were detailed and what appeared like extreme psychological and even medical CLAIMS being made on "What Is The Work" website of Byron Katie.
But sometime after Feb 23, 2008 they were DELETED from their webpage, and that area was left blank.
Its all explained starting at this link in the other thread.
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But now as of March 03, 2008, they have reposted and CHANGED at least 6 CLAIMS.
That page of The Work website no longer says The Work is:
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"a way to end all your stress and suffering",
'Eliminate stress: Live without anxiety or fear'
"Reduce anger: Get angry less often and less intensely, and eventually not at all"
"Eliminate depression: See perfection in situations that were once debilitating"
"Clarity: Act more intelligently and effectively"
"Peace: Learn how to love what is, and find lasting inner peace"
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But another of the Byron Katie webpages STILL retains those original medical sounding extreme psychological claims as of March 3, 2008.
[www.thework.com]
Also, about 200 other internet sites STILL contain the original extreme psychological claims! Put any of those claims into a search engine in "quotes" like this and look at all the duplicate sites.

"Eliminate depression: See perfection in situations that were once debilitating"

Does this not appear to need to be reported immediately to the authorities?
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If any citizen has any concerns or questions about psychological claims being made, they can make a confidential complaint to the California Board of Psychology. [www.psychboard.ca.gov]
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Now here is the "new" version of their Claims, profoundly altered, in at least 6 main ways. Compare for yourself.
[www.thework.com] (as of March 3, 2008)

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What is The Work?
The Work is a simple yet powerful process of inquiry that teaches you to identify and question thoughts that cause all the suffering in the world. It's a way to understand what's hurting you, and to address your problems with clarity.

People who do The Work as an ongoing practice report life-changing results.

Alleviation of depression: Find resolution, and even happiness, in situations that were once debilitating
Decreased stress: Learn how to live with less anxiety or fear
Improved relationships: Experience deeper connection and intimacy with your partner, your parents, your children, your friends, and yourself
Reduced anger: Understand what makes you angry and resentful, and become less reactive, less often, with less intensity
Increased mental clarity: Live and work more intelligently and effectively, with integrity
More energy: Experience a new sense of ongoing vigor and well-being
More peace: Discover how to become "a lover of what is"

[Below is pasted the original text of Claims that appeared on that web-page as of 23 Feb 2008 19:13:19 GMT]
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What is The Work?
The Work is a simple yet powerful process of inquiry that teaches you to identify and question the stressful thoughts that cause all the suffering in the world. It's a way to understand what's hurting you, a way to end all your stress and suffering.

People who do The Work faithfully report life-changing results.

Eliminate stress: Live without anxiety or fear
Improve relationships: Have a new sense of connection and intimacy with your husband or wife, your parents, your children, and with yourself
Reduce anger: Get angry less often and less intensely, and eventually not at all
Eliminate depression: See perfection in situations that were once debilitating
Clarity: Act more intelligently and effectively
Energy: Experience a new sense of vigor and well-being
Peace: Learn how to love what is, and find lasting inner peace

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If any citizen has any concerns or questions about psychological claims being made, they can make a confidential complaint to the California Board of Psychology. [www.psychboard.ca.gov]
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(link)
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Here is some general information about the simple process of making a complaint.

Complaints can be made confidentially, and there is information on the sites about privacy protections.

Complaints can protect future consumers from also being victims of unlicensed abusive group psychotherapy, due to warnings received.
Consumer Activism can force abusive organizations to be less harmful, and protect other consumers from sustaining damage that can last for years.
Please post and link to this information in relevant locations.

Do complaints matter?
There was a recent case of "The Gentle Wind Project" that after a series of complaints to the Attorney General from former members, and after an extended process, they were shut-down, and restitution and reimbursement were given to victims. [www.windofchanges.org]


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This is where complaints can be laid against LCSWs, others, and "those individuals who may be practicing illegally without a license."
California, Board of Behavioral Sciences Online Consumer Complaint Form
[app.dca.ca.gov]
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If any citizen has any concerns or questions about psychological claims being made, they can make a confidential complaint to the California Board of Psychology. [www.psychboard.ca.gov]
From Website:

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Complaints received by the Board of Psychology (Board) are considered confidential, and not subject to disclosure
The California Board of Psychology protects the safety and welfare of consumers of psychological services.
Who May File a Complaint?
Anyone who thinks that a psychologist, psychological assistant or registered psychologist has acted illegally, irresponsibly, or unprofessionally may file a complaint with the Board of Psychology.
-sexual contact with a patient
-violating the patient's confidentiality
-providing services for which the individual has not been trained or licensed
-drug abuse
-fraud or other crimes
-false advertising
-paying or accepting payment for patient referral
-unprofessional, unethical, or negligent acts
-focusing therapy on the licensee's/registrant's own problems, rather than the patient's
-serving in multiple roles, i.e., having social relationships with patients, lending them money, employing them, etc.

Note: Everyone has the right to file a complaint without fear of harassment. If you feel you are being harassed by the licensee/registrant you've complained about, you should notify the Board immediately.
Complaints that are not within the Board's jurisdiction will be referred to the appropriate agency, and the complainant will be notified.

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California Attorney General's Office Consumer Complaints
[ag.ca.gov]

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Use this form to submit a complaint to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) Bureau of Consumer Protection about a particular company or organization.
[rn.ftc.gov]
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IRS Complaint Process For Tax Exempt Organizations
[www.irs.gov]

for those who might drop into this thread from a search engine, looking for information about Byron Katie, there is also another large thread about Byron Katie and The Work.
Here is a cross-link to some information on some of the extremely dangerous content and methods in the current Byron Katie CD called "A Thousand Names For Joy".
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Before that link earlier in the thread is more detailed information as well.


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A Thousand Names for Joy: A Life in Harmony with the Way Things Are [ABRIDGED] [AUDIOBOOK] (Audio CD)
by Byron Katie (Reader), Stephen Mitchell (Reader)
Audio CD
Publisher: RH Audio; Abridged edition (February 6, 2007)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 073934188X

This is in reference to the CD set, “Your Inner Awakening: The Work of Byron Katie: Four Questions That Will Transform Your Life” by Byron Katie.

This is initially a much more mainstream, gentle, and seductive program for the widest possible audience. This is Katie at her most seductive. Her voice-tone is very different than her other audio program, it is much softer, slower, and it sounds as though she is talking to female children about 11 years old, the way she describes the worksheets, etc. She does not bombard the mind with as many confusing thoughts directly, but does so in a much more gentle and indirect fashion. She wants to be your new Best Friend.

INVITE Soft-Sell: She uses the word INVITE countless times in this program, maybe hundreds of times. That is right out of hypnosis…”I INVITE you to close your eyes…”. It’s a non-threatening way to bring you forward, like trying to make a cat trust you. Petting. Grooming. Luring.

I have to say that I truly feel empathy for the people who are going to get seduced by this material. Its presented like some Love-Everything New Age psychological program, but its not. But for her target audience, they are not going to see her techniques. Katie clearly is targeting regular spiritual, loving folks in these programs, moms and wives, with man problems, relationship nightmares, body issues, weight, and also those with serious pain in their lives, depression, Bipolar, alcohol, drugs, abuse and suicide.

SYMPATHY stories: she uses this like crazy in this program, with many sob-stories about her former miserable life, which surprise, is going to trigger things from her subjects current lives. But Katie uses these sob-stories to tug on the heart-strings of her compassionate listeners…poor Katie, sleeping on the floor, no one liked her, her kids hated her, the women in the halfway house all hated her, etc. Pure emotional manipulation, delivered with extra syrup.

HYPNOSIS: in this program, Katie very often does straight up regular light-hypnosis. She even INVITES people to CLOSE THEIR EYES, breathe, and verbally guides them along a Timeline, inner pictures and NLP Submodalities, and implants suggestions with Voice Commands. Anyone of Katie’s main promoters who tries to deny that Katie is a Hypnotist, is lying. Yes, they are lying right to your face, in order to try to keep your critical mind suppressed.

She also does a Turnaround on criticisms, to also turn off your questioning.

COCKROACH story: the cockroach story is meant to SHOCK the women who are listening. Everyone is afraid of a cockroach crawling on you, anyone would shriek, so it’s a way for her to penetrate your psyche with her Story. It works, you hear the Story once, and you never forget it. That is an NLP Anchor she builds from.

ROPE-SNAKE STORY: she says, ALL PROBLEMS ARE ROPES (false perceptions), NO EXCEPTION. Wants to turn off your healthy fears.

STORIES: Byron Katie says Gilgamesh is the oldest epic in history! See the blatant fraud she perpetrates? On one hand she says she knows nothing, yet occasionally it comes through by mistake.
Same mistake when she uses the word TRANSFORMATION, which is right from Werner Erhard. She also slips up once and calls herself a “free woman” then quickly corrects herself to say “free Being”, you see, she markets herself as a Being, not even a human!
LGAT slip: after 9 Days of her School, she says you won’t recognize your husband. Same type of Transformation The Landmark Forum preaches.

WAR of the MIND, says what she is doing is extremely radical, to Open Minds, open hearts, end all suffering. Mind is at WAR with itself. Katie’s “war” is the war for your Mind. (all of her stories about “war” are the war inside your own mind with her).

FORCEFULNESS: you notice how Katie starts out all loving and sweet, and after grooming, she becomes very very forceful, controlling, pushy, and aggressive in her live work. She is simply an aggressive advanced NLP hypnosis practitioner and persuader. She can make a young woman cry in 30 seconds over her weight problems. So can Stever Robbins, or any of the Advanced NLP people, its not hard to do with some training.

MONEY: She really starts cutting you in the CD #3 about money, and she really starts getting into Creating Confusion. One could spend hours dissecting what she is doing to you in this area, which is her #1 area. But she pushes towards how you DON’T need more money. You think she wants to make you more “unattached” to your money and house? How many people are mortgaging their homes to pay for Byron Katie advanced trainings? She also wants to push people to LOVE GIVING MONEY TO charity…who’s charity? Byron Katies “charity” of course, she’ll take care of the millions, tax-free. She then does a Turnaround on your belief “money is evil” to “I am evil”. (yes, Byron Katie seems to know a lot about evil, personally).

YOUR FIRED! She has a big Story about how she Fires people! Totally hilarious, she’s better than Trump…she says when she fires you, you fired yourself, and its for your own good, so she feels GREAT about it!! This has to be related to all of her “STAFF” she “hires” without getting paid. It’s a big story, and the message is clear…do what Byron Katies CEO says, or you are gone.

CHILDREN: dear lord, there is a very inappropriate section, where Katie brings a child up on stage with his father, to do The Work. (this is designed to get into her audience’s deep psyche, the inner child). Its truly heartbreaking, to see that level of malpractice done on a child. She does a straight up NLP hypno-suggestion on the child, its right there in plain sight, getting the kid to close his eyes and place his thoughts in the body, etc.
How can this unlicensed uneducated woman be allowed to mess around with children minds and family therapy, and record and sell it on CD? Near the end, she asks the child if he would like to do more? And the child says NO. The audience laughs, and Byron Katie KEEPS GOING for many more minutes. Is that even legal? A child says NO while on a stage being recorded, and Katie keeps going? That’s abuse.

MISDIRECTION: to a comical level, Katie comes out and says she cannot influence you to approve of her, or love her! Her entire system consists of doing exactly that using the most sophisticated techniques on earth, so to deflect people’s attention away from that, she says the opposite. She does this all the time. She actually has the outright conscious dishonesty, to say at the end of the CD that she DOES NOT MANIPULATE YOU IN ANY WAY!! Can you see the brilliance in this? All she does is manipulate your mind constantly, all the while telling you that she does not manipulate you. Invisible Mindwashing, she’s very proud of that, very “elegant”. And she gives you a snowjob right to your face, with a straight-face and a calm-voice.

At the end of the CD, she even refers to the very advanced NLP technique known as CHANGE PERSONAL HISTORY, but of course she says it in everyday language. Much of what Byron Katie is doing is about doing the Change Personal History technique, which is actually very dangerous, like installing False Memories. Byron Katie is doing the most unethical abuse of these techniques I can ever recall seeing. (please read up on these techniques so you know what Byron Katie is doing to you).

NLP Change Personal History
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MOTHER: she goes on and on about her mother and death, how she bought her mom houses, etc. This is to connect with her audience, but also, guess what? Her audience Projects onto Katie a “mother” Transference, and Katie says her Mother in her Mind was a MONSTER, but in reality she was an Angel. Dear god, I feel sorry for people who get lured into Byron Katie’s nightmare, this is profoundly sick stuff, very warped and twisted.

DEATH: Katie says that after doing the work, you should feel no pain if a loved one dies. No empathy = psychopath.

Even after having seen so much ruthless manipulation and abuse of NLP and hypnosis, this is the worst I have studied, mainly due to the convincing soft-sell presentation, and who it is targeted at, and the outrageous betrayal and abuse of “love” against vulnerable subjects. The way she abuses the word “LOVE”, constantly saying “I LOVE_____” over and over, hundreds and thousands of times.
Its true that Katie targets spiritual, nice, decent, loving people, who do trust and believe her at face value, and when things go sour, they blame themselves as they have be programmed to do. Just hope someone in your family does not get deeply hooked into Byron Katie’s almost invisible mind-control system.
Where is it all going to end? Is Byron Katie going to continue to get away with it?

Serious Warning: One would be wise to be very cautious around those who have been involved with the Byron Katie Work for a long period of time, as most if not all of their normal empathy would be dissociated, and they no longer would feel the need to “tell the truth”. Katie is training them, Mindwashing them, that even if your own spouse or child died, then you should not feel anything, or feel joy. She is training people to become like a sociopath, or more precisely to TOLERATE a sociopath taking advantage of them, controlling their lives, liberating them of all their money, house, etc.
Watch out. Those who are deeply involved with The Work by Byron Katie for a period of years would be dissociated from a normal conscience and empathy, and could do very bad things to you, and not care in the least. Why should they? They’ve been carefully trained and brainwashed over a period of months and years to not care, and to literally see something like a person losing a limb, getting divorced, or being robbed of all their money, as wonderful. Katie has turned their minds inside out, for her own purposes. So please be very very cautious dealing with any of these so-called Certified Facilitators of The Work, who charge money to do The Work on you, who Work you over. When they do The Work, they put forward a superficial guise of being “Loving”, but in reality you are functionally, if not literally, dealing with a sociopath who does not even believe in the concept of Ethical behavior, or even that ethics or empathy exist.

When Byron Katie and her people are doing the advanced NLP hypnotic “Change Personal History” technique on you without your awareness or consent, that is beyond despicable, and extremely dangerous, in regards to False Memories, and triggering Traumas without a license. Its being grotesquely abused by Byron Katie and her senior Facilitators, and that can literally be lethal.

























------reference------------
Your Inner Awakening: The Work of Byron Katie: Four Questions That Will Transform Your Life [AUDIOBOOK] [UNABRIDGED] (Audio CD)
by Byron Katie (Reader)
Product Details
Audio CD
Publisher: Nightingale-Conant; Unabridged edition (February 13, 2007)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0743562720
ISBN-13: 978-0743562720

Hey, for anyone who is looking for tickets for sale for Byron Katie on Craigslist or Ebay for Byron Katie's School For The Work in Los Angeles... PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING POSTS FIRST!!

[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?4,9147,53392#msg-53392]Byron Katie - Strong Concerns[/url]]

[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?4,9147,53402#msg-53402]Byron Katie's School and Turnaround House[/url]]

[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?4,9147,53514#msg-53514]Surrendering Personal Property to Byron Katie[/url]]

[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?4,9147,53507#msg-53507]Byron Katie's School - A Family Member's Perspective[/url]]

Event Description:
The School For The Work
April 4 - 13, 2008
Crowne Plaza Los Angeles
5985 West Century Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA
Tuition: $3,500
Accommodations: $1,440 - based upon double occupancy

A question to ask yourself... Why does it cost so much to do The Work in person with Byron Katie, and why the strict cancellation policy?

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All cancellations must be submitted in writing. If your cancellation is received nine (9) or more days in advance of the School, your tuition and room and board costs will be refunded less a $600 non-refundable deposit. If you cancel eight (8) days or less in advance of the School, your tuition will be refunded less room and board costs we must pay the hotel and less a $600 non-refundable deposit. If you do not send advance written notice of your cancellation, if you do not show up, or if you leave The School early, your payment is non-refundable and non-transferable.

Another question to ask yourself... Are you willing to sign a legal disclaimer before doing The Work with Byron Katie? You are asked to sign a disclaimer before participating in Byron Katie's Hotline, and there are reports that you must sign one just before starting The School. Why would that be necessary?

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Disaimer of Liability By using The Work Hotline, you assume all risks associated with calling the volunteer Facilitators. BKI shall not, in any event, be liable for any actions taken on the part of the caller or Facilitator during or after the use of this Hotline. Each individual caller and Facilitator is fully responsible for all interactions that take place between the two parties. BKI is not responsible for, nor does it endorse, any interaction between the two parties and assumes no liability for or related to those interactions.

There are also reports that people have been duped into giving up valuable possessions to Byron Katie on the last day of The School -- such as wedding rings and heirlooms. One couple is said to have surrendered approx. $100,000 IN JEWELRY.

PLEASE be a discerning consumer and learn whatever you can about what REALLY goes on in Byron Katie's School and other events, before surrendering your precious mind (and possessions) to "The Work".

Hey, for anyone who is looking for tickets for sale for Byron Katie on Craigslist or Ebay for Byron Katie's School For The Work in Los Angeles... PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING POSTS FIRST!!

[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?4,9147,53392#msg-53392]Byron Katie - Strong Concerns[/url]]

[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?4,9147,53402#msg-53402]Byron Katie's School and Turnaround House[/url]]

[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?4,9147,53514#msg-53514]Surrendering Personal Property to Byron Katie[/url]]

[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?4,9147,53507#msg-53507]Byron Katie's School - A Family Member's Perspective[/url]]

Event Description:
The School For The Work
April 4 - 13, 2008
Crowne Plaza Los Angeles
5985 West Century Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA
Tuition: $3,500
Accommodations: $1,440 - based upon double occupancy

A question to ask yourself... Why does it cost so much to do The Work in person with Byron Katie, and why the strict cancellation policy?

Quote

All cancellations must be submitted in writing. If your cancellation is received nine (9) or more days in advance of the School, your tuition and room and board costs will be refunded less a $600 non-refundable deposit. If you cancel eight (8) days or less in advance of the School, your tuition will be refunded less room and board costs we must pay the hotel and less a $600 non-refundable deposit. If you do not send advance written notice of your cancellation, if you do not show up, or if you leave The School early, your payment is non-refundable and non-transferable.

Another question to ask yourself... Are you willing to sign a legal disclaimer before doing The Work with Byron Katie? You are asked to sign a disclaimer before participating in Byron Katie's Hotline, and there are reports that you must sign one just before starting The School. Why would that be necessary?

Quote

Disaimer of Liability By using The Work Hotline, you assume all risks associated with calling the volunteer Facilitators. BKI shall not, in any event, be liable for any actions taken on the part of the caller or Facilitator during or after the use of this Hotline. Each individual caller and Facilitator is fully responsible for all interactions that take place between the two parties. BKI is not responsible for, nor does it endorse, any interaction between the two parties and assumes no liability for or related to those interactions.

There are also reports that people have been duped into giving up valuable possessions to Byron Katie on the last day of The School -- such as wedding rings and heirlooms. One couple is said to have surrendered approx. $100,000 IN JEWELRY.

PLEASE be a discerning consumer and learn whatever you can about what REALLY goes on in Byron Katie's School and other events, before surrendering your precious mind (and possessions) to "The Work".

To assist new visitors, in addition to this thread, there is a second thread
in the New Religions section on this same topic. It is currently 44 pages long.

[forum.culteducation.com]

Both BK threads should be read together as each thread contains information not available in the other.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/30/2008 09:22PM by corboy.

Hi...well, I never went to the School, but have tempted over the last years. I have visited and re-visited BK's work and this last time, 5th time I think, at first I went into it and could feel some relief from my "insane thinking". I am no longer comfortable with being disassociated from my body, nor thinking or believing I am not body, yet I have tried this time around because of the need for relief.

I found this today because I did a search for cognitive therapy byron katie. I am wondering if JJ or others who have actually had some experience with the work, either via facilators on the phone and the cd programs or the the school could share some more.

One thing I am learning that my inner radar or whatever we can call that part of us that recognizes what is not right is strong enough in spite my of my attraction to the "Love" that can suck folks in. I am feeling rather sad at this moment, but I keep getting flashes of the way KT talks to people sometimes and the looks are face which are not always loving.

Hope this is okay to share. I have to opinion to share nor any rant. The anger I felt over the years at being drawn to cult like situations is now gone into sadness.

Using the questions as a form of meditation without that "da-n" turnaround seemed to prove very helpful, but then the guilt always crawls in. Thanks to JJ for sharing this.

YG