Its almost impossible to have any type of debate with more advanced Byron Katie promoters for one main reason.
A lack of intellectual honesty.
No question, entry level Byron Katie folks are really caught up in the whirlwind and have Lost The Moon...as Byron Katie says.
But the more advanced Byron Katie people are on a different level.
One thing about this forum, for example, is that most people who post here really are being HONEST with themselves, admitting their mistakes and errors in the past, and trying to think things through with intellectual honesty.
But you bascially never see that with more senior Byron Katie folks. If anything, their motto seems to be deception and denial.
One could list 100 examples, but here is one.
Byron Katie claims to have attained Nirvana at the foot of a cockroach, as she tells her "origin myth" over and over.
But, Byron Katie runs a series of LGAT seminars full of TECHNIQUES from other people's LGAT seminars.
So on the most basic level of intellectual honesty, any person would have to admit that does not make any sense.
Byron Katie clearly copied those methods from all of the other LGAT seminars.
They did not come from the cockroach.
So someone is lying their ass off.
But the senior Byron Katie bloggers, (and many of them are "covert" in that they don't even admit they promote Byron Katie,and even deny it), these folks just DENY the most basic contradictions and obvious falsehoods comig from Byron Katie.
Its a conscious absense of intellectual integrity.
Steven Sashen is a prime example of this, as he clearly understands certain ideas, like his $100 Challenge. [forum.culteducation.com
But he absolutely refuses to apply this to Byron Katie.
Its a strange and damaging mentality that Byron Katie teaches. Its root is DECEPTION, self-deception, and deception of others.
There is no intellectual honesty in that system, so those involved in it are "locked in".
And its not possible to "reason" with unreason and intellectual dishonesty.